Royal Mail in legal bid to block national Christmas strike : CWU response

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 12 Nov 2019, 07:19

Jonathan Swift is the judge, 2pm, fingers crossed

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 12 Nov 2019, 07:27

Will the verdict actually be announced today?

ddtc · Post by **ddtc** » 12 Nov 2019, 08:34

LaggyBand wrote:Jonathan Swift is the judge, 2pm, fingers crossed

Quick google and it says his pro government. So looks like RM are going to win. Another business where the top bosses get away with more pay screwing everyone over. Queue the government asking what happened to the company when thousands lose their job and the bosses at RM pretending they give a crap.

GRS · Post by **GRS** » 12 Nov 2019, 09:14

I actually think the whole thing is a government orchestrated load of bollocks. I reckon they and RM have poured over things to find something trivial they can go to court with and the appointed judge will have been told what is expected of him. I reckon it’s a stitch up - hopefully I’m wrong but we’ll find out later!!!

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 12 Nov 2019, 10:03

ddtc wrote:
LaggyBand wrote:Jonathan Swift is the judge, 2pm, fingers crossed
Quick google and it says his pro government. So looks like RM are going to win. Another business where the top bosses get away with more pay screwing everyone over. Queue the government asking what happened to the company when thousands lose their job and the bosses at RM pretending they give a crap.

Yeah. I mean they’re all system-types. Else they wouldn’t get those positions. The decision gets made beforehand and then the law is construed and applied in a way that delivers that decision; no doubt.

The only way you get an anti-system decision is where the judge forsees his judgement could get overturned on appeal. They hate that.

Nicola12345 · Post by **Nicola12345** » 12 Nov 2019, 12:11

Best of luck to the union today. Unfortunately I'm not hopeful about the outcome.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 12 Nov 2019, 12:39

Binsey wrote:
daveyeff wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:The court case will only deal with the alleged breach of trade union legislation.

Nothing else is relevant.
mail integrity is down the swanney then.

Not really it was part of last couple of weeks WTLL sessions around the country.

Plus you had to sign you had understood and accept it.

A bit timely do you think?

I mean its down the swanney as regards to the court case, it will only deal with alleged breach of trade union legislation. mail integrity is RMs internal policy/rules and therefore should have nowt to do with trade union legislation.

Post by **Takeitforaride** » 12 Nov 2019, 13:12

How many posties have they got proof about? I mean even if they have names and video evidence, they would need a lot of it to void enough voting slips to get down below the 51% needed.

And Parcelforce had a separate poll.

Schiff · Post by **Schiff** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:34

Takeitforaride wrote:How many posties have they got proof about? I mean even if they have names and video evidence, they would need a lot of it to void enough voting slips to get down below the 51% needed.

And Parcelforce had a separate poll.

It isn't as simple as deducting a few votes. It is about the union failing to comply with the legislation surrounding ballots for industrial action rendering the whole ballot invalid.

The relevant part of the rules is

In an industrial action ballot:
every person entitled to vote must be allowed to do so without interference from, or constraint imposed by, the union or any of its members, officials or employees;

as far as reasonably practicable,every person entitled to vote must be:sent a voting paper by post to his home address, or another address which he has asked the union (in writing) to treat as his postal address;given a convenient opportunity to vote by post; and allowed to do so without incurring any direct cost to himself (seealso paragraph 31); andas far as reasonably practicable, the ballot must be conducted in such a way as to ensure that those voting do so in secret

I will be surprised if the judge finds that the union encouraging members to intercept their ballots, open them and register their vote for industrial action while being photographed or videoed by fellow members doesn't negate the whole ballot. If we lose then heads should roll amongst the union leadership who were behind this.

LouBarlow · Post by **LouBarlow** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:42

ddtc wrote:
LaggyBand wrote:Jonathan Swift is the judge, 2pm, fingers crossed
Quick google and it says his pro government. So looks like RM are going to win. Another business where the top bosses get away with more pay screwing everyone over. Queue the government asking what happened to the company when thousands lose their job and the bosses at RM pretending they give a crap.

He was the government's top lawyer before becoming a judge.

We are toast.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:52

just had a video of terry p and dave ward outside the court. they are very VERY confident. lets hope so

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:58

daveyeff wrote:just had a video of terry p and dave ward outside the court. they are very VERY confident. lets hope so

Got a link? The tension is killing me

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 12 Nov 2019, 14:59

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Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 12 Nov 2019, 16:33

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 12 Nov 2019, 16:39

what does that prove. ballot envelopes sealed as well. could've voted no for all we know.