I can't understand why they set themselves up for a fall by continually setting timescales for updates then continually failing to deliver. It makes them appear amateurish and open quite legitimately to ridicule from the members. It is frustrating in the extreme and disrespectful to the thousands who pay their weekly subs which pay the salaries of these negotiators. I have been patient up to now but today is the last straw. Broken promise after broken promise is what I might expect from those on the other side of the negotiating table not those who I pay to represent me. Its quite frankly farcical. Surely we deserve to know more about where we are going forward other than a 2 year pay deal is on the table!
well said and true , i think most posties would like the more important issues sorted , ie fair and MANAGEABLE workload , bullying and the sww which is ours , and to continue working like we are at the moment is just breaking the staff and the staff are looking for some type of leadership from the union as the company are on another planet and clueless.
I think the treatment of staff by bullying incompetent managers and an end to the unfair / uneven /undoable workloads would be far more important to staff than yet another pay rise offer. Seems Terry and Co are still stuck in the 70's with all the tub thumping and promises of a pay rise (and don't forget the golden carrot that usually accompanies these offers/bribes) as the be all and end all of a successful union negotiation.
And everyone who's been through these things numerous times knows that the "golden carrot" will sway the usual suspects in to accepting it, loads more won't vote because they never seem to want to make a decision and at the end of it all royal fail won't honour it and you'll all be back to square one in 12 months time with even bigger workloads, tons more stress and managers even more out of control than they are now.
I can't understand why they set themselves up for a fall by continually setting timescales for updates then continually failing to deliver. It makes them appear amateurish and open quite legitimately to ridicule from the members. It is frustrating in the extreme and disrespectful to the thousands who pay their weekly subs which pay the salaries of these negotiators. I have been patient up to now but today is the last straw. Broken promise after broken promise is what I might expect from those on the other side of the negotiating table not those who I pay to represent me. Its quite frankly farcical. Surely we deserve to know more about where we are going forward other than a 2 year pay deal is on the table!
well said and true , i think most posties would like the more important issues sorted , ie fair and MANAGEABLE workload , bullying and the sww which is ours , and to continue working like we are at the moment is just breaking the staff and the staff are looking for some type of leadership from the union as the company are on another planet and clueless.
Well said ........SWW. Dignity & Respect Fair & Manageable Workload. Union Involvement I office decisions IE. 4 pillars. And not some bullshit Pay rise to destact from the real issues Terry
Marton Walsh plz plz plz give us some more info. You are of course in the know.
More detail around 2 year the pay offer?
What are the current stumbling blocks (if you are so close)?
Anything on the SWW?
What concessions have cwu had to get the deal? I understand as always to reach compromise something has to be given up from cwu demands and I totally get this!
craving information especially when TP said we would reach an interim agreement by 31st July, it is nearly 5 months over due!!!! with a big information vacume.
I am sorry not a criticism I am sure union are doing the best they can but the lack of information coming out from official cwu channels is astonishing, especially when considering they promised an interim agreement by end of July!
What is the likelihood now of getting back pay in time for xmas?
We have to be pragmatic it is in the unions best interests to secure a sustainable future for Royal Mail, as it is in turn the employees benefit with secure jobs in a successful company as well as increasing our employee shares value and returns in form of dividend payouts,
I can't understand why they set themselves up for a fall by continually setting timescales for updates then continually failing to deliver. It makes them appear amateurish and open quite legitimately to ridicule from the members. It is frustrating in the extreme and disrespectful to the thousands who pay their weekly subs which pay the salaries of these negotiators. I have been patient up to now but today is the last straw. Broken promise after broken promise is what I might expect from those on the other side of the negotiating table not those who I pay to represent me. Its quite frankly farcical. Surely we deserve to know more about where we are going forward other than a 2 year pay deal is on the table!
It wasn't long ago that they were saying "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" and now there is a pay deal?
I'm not in delivery but I don't see the bullying on the shop floor so to speak.
The only bullying I see is managers pressuring other managers - I see managers regularly arguing amongst themselves.
The pay is a secondary issue for me - I'm speaking to lots of colleagues outside processing or delivery who are facing job cuts or merging of roles. It isn't being handled with any feeling or care and has been a real eye-opener for me about how badly this company treats its employees (I've not been working for RM for long).
I want to see a deal that provides a future to as many RM staff as possible - if that takes longer but manages that then I've got no problem with it.
From my own (and most of our offices) point of view the priority is job security. Next comes some way of resolving the issues created by Covid-19. This isn't just an issue around the 6-8 weeks of Christmas pressure, it's been the case for the past 9 months. Offices were promised 'touch revisions' and help with new ways of working safely and efficiently, but we and many others feel totally abandoned through all this. In particular Martin, if you don't mind, could you say if this has formed any part of these most recent talks? Reason being, we are losing a lot of staff, many of them been with the company 15, 20 years and more as they are that hacked off.
The SWW has 0% chance of happening. With the big increases since covid, there's probably not a single DO that doesn't need hours putting in. If anything I can see RM increasing the working week
The SWW has 0% chance of happening. With the big increases since covid, there's probably not a single DO that doesn't need hours putting in. If anything I can see RM increasing the working week
Putting more hours in and the SWW are not mutually exclusive.
Employing more people works as well.
Something a trade union might be fighting for.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
The SWW has 0% chance of happening. With the big increases since covid, there's probably not a single DO that doesn't need hours putting in. If anything I can see RM increasing the working week
It could work if all the part timers were bumped up to the 35 hours though. I don’t imagine it would break the bank for Royal Mail either as a lot of us work full time hours anyway.
"New full time employees from October 2018, recruited either from existing employees or new recruits in the core
OPG grade, will be on a 35 hour week at the current hourly basic pay rate with pro-rata allowances aligned to the
current full-time conditioned hours. Additional hours performed through overtime or scheduled attendance for
those employees on this new contract will be paid at single rate overtime until the total hours worked align to that
of our current full time contracted employees. This will be adjusted as we progress through the SWW flightpath."
So putting up part-time to 35 hours makes them full time, alongside current 38 hours full-time.
As i have suggested in a previous post if the SWW does not progress further then 35 hour contracts should be increased to 38 hours. This would then provide alignment.
Although i expect another hour reduction next year.
The SWW has 0% chance of happening. With the big increases since covid, there's probably not a single DO that doesn't need hours putting in. If anything I can see RM increasing the working week
It could work if all the part timers were bumped up to the 35 hours though. I don’t imagine it would break the bank for Royal Mail either as a lot of us work full time hours anyway.
Not meaning to go off topic here but I really don’t understand why RM are appointing (no doubt costly) solicitors to fight the average holiday claims. Why not just accept they were wrong, and offer 35 hour contracts plus say 70% of owed holiday pay to PTers. And those PT who are happy on their current contracts and don’t want to be made up to FT are given 100% of owed holiday and remain on their current contracts.
Then going forward ensure all new starters only work their contracted hours and make it clear at interview no exrea hours will be offered.
It’s win win, the PT staff who want a FT contract get one plus money, other PT staff get full backdated holiday money, RM save on paying 100% to all PT staff plus expensive court/solicitor fees, and the union can claim it as a victory.
Instead they are fighting it at great expense, they know they’ll have to pay it and they are peeing off a lot of PT staff and I just get the feeling patience is wearing thin now.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.
, i think most posties would like the more important issues sorted , ie fair and MANAGEABLE workload , bullying and the sww which is ours , and to continue working like we are at the moment is just breaking the staff and the staff are looking for some type of leadership from the union as the company are on another planet and clueless.