I think people just need to calm down a bit what you have to remember is RM is still and the only UK's postal service not a courier company so it can't be dismantled or just got rid of and as for this shower of shite at the top they are going to pull every trick in their crappy little books they can get away with and like Dave and Terry said this lot have never had to deal with a union as strong as the CWU before and let's say they get what they want how will that be implemented when you have a workforce that will not basically work for them I think this shower will be long gone before the union goes! I've listened to people (and rightly so) showing concerns that RM want to bankrupt the union but what you have to remember is this union is part of the TUC and it's very highly unlikely that that organisation will let that happen I've over the last 30+ years of working in RM have been in a fair few local and national disputes this one is different in the fact that executive action has been so strongly imposed which past management have never done! I do think we are in for a bit of a rough ride but stick with it
Post69 wrote: I've over the last 30+ years of working in RM have been in a fair few local and national disputes this one is different in the fact that executive action has been so strongly imposed which past management have never done! I do think we are in for a bit of a rough ride but stick with it
It is only worth taking industrial action and striking so losing pay if you believe that the odds are that we are going to gain in the long run.
RM seem more than happy for us to strike, and other than rhetoric from the incompetent union leadership I have heard nothing about what a "win" in the dispute would actually look like. I don't like what management are doing, but I don't believe that striking is likely to achieve anything this time. We have the timing all wrong.
All I can see is that we will eventually (before Christmas) settle for some very minor concessions and return to work congratulating ourselves on having fought a valiant fight, but we will each be several thousand pounds worse off in lost pay, and will also have made the case for Rico that the UK doesn't need a 6 days per week letters delivery service.
Several thousands in lost pay? Losing eight hours is nothing to sneeze at but this is exaggerating.
I've been with RM since 1996. Even when you throw the week and half wildcat back in the early 2000s, I haven't lost anywhere near that due to striking.
britwrit wrote:Several thousands in lost pay? Losing eight hours is nothing to sneeze at but this is exaggerating.
I've been with RM since 1996. Even when you throw the week and half wildcat back in the early 2000s, I haven't lost anywhere near that due to striking.
So you think one shift on strike and Royal Mail will cave in. I suspect that we will strike 2 or 3 days a weeks for 6 months and we will still have got nowhere.
No one thinks we;re going out for 2-3 days a week for six months straight.
That's one of the reasons the CWU was able to get such a large Yes vote in the fall. This is a work force that has been out before and knows what to expect. (i.e. one or two days, at most.)
britwrit wrote:No one thinks we;re going out for 2-3 days a week for six months straight.
That's one of the reasons the CWU was able to get such a large Yes vote in the fall. This is a work force that has been out before and knows what to expect. (i.e. one or two days, at most.)
Well if that's all this is about then I suspect that Rico will be pissing himself laughing. As I said, I don't think that striking for half the week, every week for 6 months would get us anywhere. 1 or 2 days in total certainly won't do anything. What a waste of time.
the 'big announcement'' came through at 14.07 but its in our area(north east)... on the union WhatsApp group. it reads:-Royal Mail have phoned the divisional reps up and announced Executive action today on *Newton Aycliffes delivery revision.. *Skelton's delivery revision..*Morley's delivery revision.. and *the removal off CSS machine at Darlington delivery office. Ashington have had the same Executive action, removal of CCS machines. this is an effort by RM to try to goad us into a response of unofficial action which will invalidate the ballot. we have to hold our water and have no unofficial actions to risk the main ballot. stand strong VOTE YES...…. It does seem like they are 'daring us to walk out'.
daveyeff wrote:the 'big announcement'' came through at 14.07 but its in our area(north east)... on the union WhatsApp group. it reads:-Royal Mail have phoned the divisional reps up and announced Executive action today on *Newton Aycliffes delivery revision.. *Skelton's delivery revision..*Morley's delivery revision.. and *the removal off CSS machine at Darlington delivery office. Ashington have had the same Executive action, removal of CCS machines. this is an effort by RM to try to goad us into a response of unofficial action which will invalidate the ballot. we have to hold our water and have no unofficial actions to risk the main ballot. stand strong VOTE YES...…. It does seem like they are 'daring us to walk out'.
Daring us to walk out....as individual units, not as a collective workforce in unity. Terry mentioned something in the facebook live session last night. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. You can clearly see this tactic with the actions that RM are taking in targeting individual units.
I hope everyone can see through this....
britwrit wrote:No one thinks we;re going out for 2-3 days a week for six months straight.
That's one of the reasons the CWU was able to get such a large Yes vote in the fall. This is a work force that has been out before and knows what to expect. (i.e. one or two days, at most.)
Anyone who thinks it’ll be just 1 or 2 days off work pissing about with their mates on a picket line are either naive or deluded. I hope I’m wrong but if this does got to IA I fear that it could turn out like the miners. Basically out for ages, unable to return and when we do there’ll be F...All left.This battle has turned personal between TP and Rico and we’ve been forgotten in it all.
britwrit wrote:No one thinks we;re going out for 2-3 days a week for six months straight.
That's one of the reasons the CWU was able to get such a large Yes vote in the fall. This is a work force that has been out before and knows what to expect. (i.e. one or two days, at most.)
Anyone who thinks it’ll be just 1 or 2 days off work pissing about with their mates on a picket line are either naive or deluded. I hope I’m wrong but if this does got to IA I fear that it could turn out like the miners. Basically out for ages, unable to return and when we do there’ll be F...All left.This battle has turned personal between TP and Rico and we’ve been forgotten in it all.
Thing is with the miner's though, the work didn't keep on building up like it will do with us, it just stopped!
And if it did go on weeks, high value contracts would no longer be using Royal Mail...
what you have to remember is RM is still and the only UK's postal service not a courier company so it can't be dismantled or just got rid of and as for this shower of shite at the top they are going to pull every trick in their crappy little books they can get away with and like Dave and Terry said this lot have never had to deal with a union as strong as the CWU before and let's say they get what they want how will that be implemented when you have a workforce that will not basically work for them I think this shower will be long gone before the union goes! I've listened to people (and rightly so) showing concerns that RM want to bankrupt the union but what you have to remember is this union is part of the TUC and it's very highly unlikely that that organisation will let that happen 
I've over the last 30+ years of working in RM have been in a fair few local and national disputes this one is different in the fact that executive action has been so strongly imposed which past management have never done! I do think we are in for a bit of a rough ride but stick with it 
