how much are you owed??

[Dexydog]

So it's my day off , thought I'd tidy up my paperwork and then add up how many hours I've worked on overtime over the 2 year back pay period.
Total comes out at 2400 hours, average of approx 23 per week over the 2 years- this on a 30 hour contract with 6 weeks holiday, hardly any sick time.
Take out the weeks on leave, the average is 26.
I make that just over 3k, plus the period we are in now.
And yet RM won't concede the place runs and relies on overtime.

[SSkUNkY]

£10,000.

[wookie]

The way I understand it you are a bit out. You will only get paid for 4 weeks of holiday a year, past 2 years. So by your calculations (23hrs average), 46 hrs per year, total 92 hrs back pay. But I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong.

[Dexydog]

The way I understand it you are a bit out. You will only get paid for 4 weeks of holiday a year, past 2 years. So by your calculations (23hrs average), 46 hrs per year, total 92 hrs back pay. But I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong.

I calculated at 6 weeks.
Even at 4 weeks, 23 average is 92 per year, x2 years is 184, x roughly £12 an hour is £2208.
Unless I'm seeing it wrongly.
And assuming it is 4 weeks- 6 weeks does get mentioned in the agreement somewhere.
Whatever the amount owed, my point of the thread is more that RM don't recognize I and many others should have been full time long ago.

[Dexydog]

Agreement here-
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6 weeks as far as I can tell.
Although it does also mention provided your unit has implemented a revision, which ours hasn't.
If that's the case, definitely going to let ACAS deal with my claim- what a total scam that element is if correct.

Edit, apologies, my crappy attempt at a link hasn't worked lol.

[JKSmudge]

The way I understand it you are a bit out. You will only get paid for 4 weeks of holiday a year, past 2 years. So by your calculations (23hrs average), 46 hrs per year, total 92 hrs back pay. But I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong.

I calculated at 6 weeks.
Even at 4 weeks, 23 average is 92 per year, x2 years is 184, x roughly £12 an hour is £2208.
Unless I'm seeing it wrongly.
And assuming it is 4 weeks- 6 weeks does get mentioned in the agreement somewhere.
Whatever the amount owed, my point of the thread is more that RM don't recognize I and many others should have been full time long ago.

If I read it correctly, PT will get full contractual holidays paid up until the FT equivalent ( 38 hours per week ). Therefore if you have only been with RM for less than 5 years it will be 22.5 days per annum... up to 30 days for those who have worked here since Tudor times). Anything over the 38 hours will be paid as per FT ( 4 weeks ).

[Dexydog]

Right I see.
I get 6 weeks leave. 30 hour contract.
So I am due 23 hours for 4 weeks, but only 7 (or is it 8)? hours up to f/t for the other 2 weeks, per year?
I think, it's bloody confusing.

[Dexydog]

Thinking more about this- this really needs to be clearer.
People could get the letter asking if they agree for RM to absolve themselves from further action through ACAS, then get less than they were expecting and have no comeback.
Obviously there are differing interpretations on here on what is being paid and what isn't.
Maybe I'm just looking at it the wrong way, I really don't know.

[Dexydog]

DP.

[Subman]

30 hour contract + 23 hours o/t = 53 hours.
30 hours - f/t 38 hours= 8 hours ×6 = 48
48 hours x 2 years = 96 hours

Plus: 15 additional o/t × 4 weeks= 60 hours
60 hours x 2 years = 120 hours

120 hours + 96 hours = 216 hours
216 ×(approx) £8:00 NET = £ 1728.00

That is back pay lump sum, you should also receive a current 6 month payment for April - Sept this year at approximately same time which, for you would be another £400 + approximately.

Remember if any month you didnt work 8 hours o/t , eg you were sick on holidays or o/t was removed, you receive nil for that 6 month period.

APPROXIMATE FIGURES, just trying to help.

[Dexydog]

30 hour contract + 23 hours o/t = 53 hours.
30 hours - f/t 38 hours= 8 hours ×6 = 48
48 hours x 2 years = 96 hours

Plus: 15 additional o/t × 4 weeks= 60 hours
60 hours x 2 years = 120 hours

120 hours + 96 hours = 216 hours
216 ×(approx) £8:00 NET = £ 1728.00

That is back pay lump sum, you should also receive a current 6 month payment for April - Sept this year at approximately same time which, for you would be another £400 + approximately.

Remember if any month you didnt work 8 hours o/t , eg you were sick on holidays or o/t was removed, you receive nil for that 6 month period.

APPROXIMATE FIGURES, just trying to help.

Thanks, still well over 2k gross.
And just goes to show how easy it is to misinterpret the calculation, as 3 of us have come to a different conclusion.
But yours on the face of it looks to be the right one.
Checked the first 3 months of this current period and I'm averaging around 95 a month, so roughly the same again, and not missed a qualifying month yet, and don't intend to before September.
I honestly can't wait to get out of all this, but it just makes me more determined to get what I am owed and not let them wriggle out of anything.
Still might decline and let ACAS deal with it, I don't see how you could possibly get any less, just may take longer as it looks like it's been stayed again at court.
What do people think from that perspective??

[Dexydog]

Right I see.
I get 6 weeks leave. 30 hour contract.
So I am due 23 hours for 4 weeks, but only 7 (or is it 8)? hours up to f/t for the other 2 weeks, per year?
I think, it's bloody confusing.
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This is another to calculate it correctly? Or have I misunderstood??

[joewyan]

Right I see.
I get 6 weeks leave. 30 hour contract.
So I am due 23 hours for 4 weeks, but only 7 (or is it 8)? hours up to f/t for the other 2 weeks, per year?
I think, it's bloody confusing.

Yes that’s spot on.

[Dexydog]

And it's also the case for the 2 years we have 4×6 monthly qualifying periods, not the 4/5 weekly we are in from April this year?

[yellowbelly]

And it's also the case for the 2 years we have 4×6 monthly qualifying periods, not the 4/5 weekly we are in from April this year?

The agreement is very badly worded but I think not - (see extract below) and it would be a bonus if I was wrong
but I think the wording I've highlighted indicates that the same 4/5 week qualifying periods
within the overall 6 month qualifying period will be used for the two years backpay:

Back Pay
It is agreed that back pay for historic regular overtime worked will be backdated for a
period of two years from April 2021. This covers four separate 6 monthly qualifying
periods made up of Periods which will broadly encompass the following months:
a. April 2019 to September 2019
b. October 2019 to March 2020
c. April 2020 to September 2020; and
d. October 2020 to March 2021.
The same regularity threshold as agreed above for each six monthly period of back pay
will be used but if for example the minimum threshold is not hit in one six-month period,
this will not mean that the other six month periods are not paid where the minimum
qualifying threshold has been reached, so an employee might qualify for a payment in
respect of 1, 2, 3 or 4 of the back pay qualifying periods, depending on the levels of
overtime they have worked.