Holiday pay

[yellowbelly]

If only more people had paid attention when this 'agreement' was proposed and put to a (ludicrous) branch vote.......

[Dexydog]

There's only one party to blame here-the union.
They pushed it through via a branch vote only, members in my office didn't even know an agreement had been reached, let alone how rubbish it was, and the effect it would have on their pay.
I accept this was a negotiation, and a union can't always get what it wants, but this deal is appalling on so many levels.
Most especially on how those members didn't get either the details given to them in part or in full, or even a vote on whether they wanted it or not.
Total shambles, and now it's coming home to roost.

[xPandabear1992x]

https://www.acas.org.uk/making-a-claim- ... t-tribunal

in ACAS's on words, the claim needs to be made no later than 3 MONTHS after the incorrect payment.

Royal Mail and the CWU agreed upon a lump sum backdated 2 YEARS.

My first point is that many people probably have or had no idea what or when they were not given what they were entitled to.

My second point is even if they did know what they were entitled to claim, they certainly wouldn't be able to claim anything beyond this summer just gone.

[xPandabear1992x]

Go on their website.
It's not hard.

Don't be such POSTMAN EDIT!!!

One of the biggest problems with union matters is that it's not accessible to just anyone.

You could argue the tits off whether it's available to everyone, which obviously it is.

But as long as the union use waffle, overly long jargon, arbitrary wordage etc when they could be using keynotes and simple language they're gonna continue to f**k people over.

Nobody's gonna read through 6 f***ing pages of what Terry did to save us all last Tuesday just to find the relevant information down half way down page 4.

And I tell you what, as long as there's "I'm alright, Jack" types like you sitting around giving people the finger when they ask a perfectly reasonable question, nothing will change.

[Dexydog]

Or people like you wanting others to do what you could find out for yourself after about 30 seconds on ACAS' website.
Nice language btw.

[Dexydog]

To be clear, your legal rights have nothing to do with what a union agrees with an employer.
The only way to get what you are legally owed is to open a claim with ACAS.
The 3 months is after you've been wronged, in this case the 8th October, pay day.
I opened my case 2 years ago, and it's finally getting heard sometime this month.
I opened it because I wasn't been paid holiday pay.
The delay has been mostly because a deal was in the pipeline and some of it covid related delays.
Apologies if some people feel let down, but tbh the details of the deal have been public knowledge for 2 months now, and anyone could have worked out if they would qualify or not, as the dates and conditions were there in black and white.

[xPandabear1992x]

Or people like you wanting others to do what you could find out for yourself after about 30 seconds on ACAS' website.
Nice language btw.

....which only applies if you know exactly. what. you. are. looking. for.

it's all very well and good popping something into google and clicking search provided you waste time sifting through endless CWU fodder and sponsored ads before you wind up on ACAS's website, where, funily enough - you don't get to where you wanted to be anyway.

But it's ok, you found what you were looking for at the click of a finger. Everyone else must be stupid.

What you are suggesting is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Except while everyone else is fumbling about, you're waving around a magnet and telling everyone else work harder.

[Dexydog]

The link HTPostman provided takes you EXACTLY where you need to start.
I'm not an "I'm alright Jack" as you seem to think.
I come on here to share and gain knowledge.
I offered the other day to share a number at ACAS with someone looking for help, and who did it courteously.
But I get sick of listening to people, even now, complaining they haven't got any holiday pay, despite all the dates and conditions being available to them to check.
There is even a link provided recently that details the exact relevant dates.
Yes it's a crap deal.
OK it might be confusing.
But if you can't be bothered to use the search function and read a few posts before wading into people that are generally just trying to help, and ultimately want the same thing, that's up to you.
I don't profess to know the law, or guess what a judge will decide is right, or fair.
My claim has been in 2 years and I've heard pretty much bugger all in all that time.
All I do know is ACAS is your first port of call, perhaps ring them up, lodge your claim and let them get on with it for you, for free.
Might take some time.
That's all there is given your employer wants to shaft you, and so does your union.

[HTPostman]

The only thing those shafted need to remember is ACAS.

Complaining to payroll won’t work.

Complaining to management won’t work.

Strongly worded letters, tweets and emails to Simon will have zero effect. He won’t even read them, he’ll have a team of PA staff who simply file/shred/delete or if you’re lucky give a generic response.

Contacting Royal Mails legal department will just see you ignored.

The union can’t do anything to help, your workmates on Facebook all agreeing it’s a disgrace ultimately won’t result in you getting a penny. Management won’t help.

You can run to the papers and if enough people get together it might get some attention but then not many of us stand together and support each other, I mean half the workforce would kick their own granny out the way if it meant getting out 20 minutes early!

ACAS. It’s the only way you have a chance of getting the money you’re owed.

Follow the link, start your claim. It might take months/years but you have nothing to lose.

And if your financial circumstances allow, remember how RM have setup (with the unions agreement) this system and don’t ever help them out again.

If there are enough claims and enough people just working to their time, that is more likely to hurt Royal Mail.

[HTPostman]

There’s a young woman at my DO, she’s averaged 30/40 hours each month, but for one period she’s just 5 minutes short (7 hours and 55 minutes). She looked broken on Thursday when she found out. Her first point of call was her line manager. Do you know what he said? ‘Oh you’ll still get money because you qualified for the other 5 periods.’ I was stood next to them both and told him it doesn’t work like that, he said it did, she said ‘oh that’s good, for a moment I thought I’d missed out.’

I think we are seeing examples of people not wanting to believe they’ve actually been shafted.

[Strong bull]

Reading all these threads about all this ot people are doing and missing out because they were on holiday ,ill etc or getting extraordinary amounts as they do loads of ot why the aren't the union more active in getting full time contracts to more people as per agreements? Apart from they are weak and useless .

Saying that I did chuckle to myself when one of the been at R M for ever easy duty 4 day a week full timers( a dream to most of us) who works there days off every week missed out due to illness.

[tractorboy2]

I'm waiting for someone to boast how much holiday pay they got , without ACTUALLY working beyond their finish time.

[Dorset Plodder]

I think this subject is going to run and run.

I know the Management answer to those who claim they'd only miissed it by 5 mins is, "We had to draw the qualifying line somewhere".

Personally I'd have liked to have seen each Posties dealt with on a case by case basis (with some Common Sense involved), but I presume that would have been to much work?

I've not analysed my details because I've not downloaded any of the apps etc, but I guess I must be having a Really Easy Time being a Postie as I only got £90! I certainly work more than a paltry 8 hours a month (Only 2 hours a week)

To those of you that got over a Grand... Enjoy yourselves ...... you're obviously working hard enough for it.

[Chiphartley]

This company has really showed its true colours this time.!!

Why didn't they just do average hours per month for a 6 month qualifying period.??

My average is 16 hours... almost double the 8 hours they class as a relevant amount.

However, I do less when volumes are low, and more when high, to suit the needs of the business.

Why should that flexibility affect my holiday pay entitlement at all ??

This is equality gone mad yet again, punished for working to the needs of the business.

Don't worry I will be making it up, contacting acas as soon as possible. And in the meantine, going as slow as possible and milking the overtime to get back what is mine (like the rest)

[POSTMAN]

It's a s**t show guys but let's not take out on each other, and please watch the language especially to each other.