POL: PAY 2010 & 2011 AND FUTURE OF THE CROWN OFFICE NETWORK

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The claim was that Counter Clerks in Crown Offices are "skilled" (inferring that Sub Office agents are not)

Subbie

Why did it infer that - The BALPA say their Pilots are skilled does that mean that the 25% of qualified pilots they don't represent are less skilled or completeling lacking in skill - of course not.
The FBU say their members are skilled, are the Defence Fire Fighters less skilled because the FBU don't represent them.
Members of the various Medical Bodies say their members are skilled, but don't mention any other nationality - can they infer people think them less skilled because the BMA don't mention them.

Good grief man - stop reading stuff thats not there you'll get stressed out.

[rwbarker]

Subbie does have a point.

Whether it is said explicitly or not, there is a an inference that somehow Crown counter colleagues are worth more than, for example, someone who works on a sub office counter or, for that matter, in a WH Smith branch.

Both sets of people do exactly the same job - the services and transactions are identical - other than those few FS transactions which cannot compliantly be completed in a sub office. Even then, it is only the FS in a Crown branch that have the additional training and competence. And, for what it's worth, throughput (by which I mean how much work is done per person per hour) is typically better in an agency branch than it is in a Crown office.

I say that as someone who believes (yes, believes) that the Crown network has a significant and leading role to play in the future of the PO network - but, we must find a way for that Crown network to make commercial/financial sense.

[PO1]

Quite simple then.

Offer all the Crown Office staff VR and you can employ new staff on the £5.93 per hour that the Executive Team plainly believe the job is worth.

[onlyanother30years]

Couldn't agree more with rwbarker he's brill "My Hero"

Big love and hugs coming at ya rw, hope you don't mind me being little cheeky

More more more ooh yeah xxxx

[fishtank]

I think Mr Barkers point is one of lowest common denominator.
Subbies are worth just as much as their Crown counter colleagues or Crown Office staff are worth just as little as someone who works on a sub office counter or, for that matter, in a WH Smith branch.
You decide..

[bc29]

Subbie does have a point.

Whether it is said explicitly or not, there is a an inference that somehow Crown counter colleagues are worth more than, for example, someone who works on a sub office counter or, for that matter, in a WH Smith branch.

Both sets of people do exactly the same job - the services and transactions are identical - other than those few FS transactions which cannot compliantly be completed in a sub office. Even then, it is only the FS in a Crown branch that have the additional training and competence. And, for what it's worth, throughput (by which I mean how much work is done per person per hour) is typically better in an agency branch than it is in a Crown office.

I say that as someone who believes (yes, believes) that the Crown network has a significant and leading role to play in the future of the PO network - but, we must find a way for that Crown network to make commercial/financial sense.

o.k. how many vault cards are issued in a subbie, how many E-bayers are told to go to the nearest crown because they don't have the staff,where will they go with their heavy parcels,bulk car tax..... !!!!!

[POSTMAN]

No one bully's subbies. That's godda be worth a few quid extra surely?

[dueforparole]

Quite simple then.

Offer all the Crown Office staff VR and you can employ new staff on the £5.93 per hour that the Executive Team plainly believe the job is worth.

Yes please , I've been saying this for years now.

You could even save a further £1.01 per hour by drafting in youngsters who've just broken the minimum age required to sell POFS products.

[The BFO]

And, for what it's worth, throughput (by which I mean how much work is done per person per hour) is typically better in an agency branch than it is in a Crown office.

Mr Barker, has it crossed your mind that perhaps we Crown Office staff are less efficient because we spend so much time sitting around discussing Sales Targets, Penetration Rates, having Warm Ups, ‘one to ones’, the dreadful 1 ½ hours per week repetition of the previous weeks nonsense, and so on?

The use of the term ‘skilled’ and the implication that sub office staffs are somehow inferior was in my view unfortunate. Compared to Bankers, Company Directors etc. both Crown Office and Sub Office employees are underpaid. Our fight should not be with our colleagues in the Agency Network, who are also undervalued.

[The BFO]

Couldn't agree more with rwbarker he's brill "My Hero"

Big love and hugs coming at ya rw, hope you don't mind me being little cheeky

More more more ooh yeah xxxx

Ah – so you believe in him now then do you?

I think he’s FAB too…

[POSTMAN]

Moving on from wasshisname...

Our Postal Executive yesterday took an in principle decision to ballot our Crown Office members for Industrial Action. We are now working with our membership records department to prepare the necessary documentation so that we can serve notice on POL. A ballot timetable is under consideration; once we serve notice, ballot papers will be despatched to members a week later. Further developments will be reported.

[billyhayes]

Why do Crown Office colleagues think that they are "skilled" and Sub Office Agents are not?

Subbie

I thought of one good reason... We are 'skilled' enough not to clock up losses of 94 grand and then serve time at Her Majesty's Pleasure...

I get it now. If you can't get paid £10.52 an hour like us Crownies you will 'pay yourself' shall we say...

Good luck with the postmasters vs POL legal action by the way,

as seen here:

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[jusmasel]

Yes you do seem pretty skilled......

A RUISLIP mother who admitted stealing £14,000 from the Royal Mail through her job at a post office has been ordered to do 150 hours unpaid work.

Carole Snook, 60, of High Street, was a senior member of staff at the Great Greenford Crown Post Office when in April 2009 she discovered a way to scam money from car tax disc customers.
The mother-of-two found that when she inputted purchases from customers for car tax that no payment was required for disabled motorists.

So when someone came into the shop to pay their regular road tax she put in the wrong information and kept the cash instead. She repeated the trick several times between April last year and May 2010.

[jusmasel]

Works out at £93 an hour. Pretty smart eh!!

[billyhayes]

Yes you do seem pretty skilled....£14,000 from the Royal Mail through her job at a post office has been ordered to do 150 hours unpaid work.

You see!! That is skill... 14 grand and ONLY unpaid work... No real time served.

Go on the Crownies!! Even our thieves do it better...

Carole Sneak would sound better, but there you go.