dinosaurs living in the past

[BillS]

What a fearful oik - why are these common people allowed on here?

[Geezer]

Thankyou Teebs - I almost got annoyed there, fancy calling a Rhino a monkey :)

Gave Me A Laugh

[luddite123]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

Going by the replies they don't like to hear real public opinion, only that of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

What gets to me, is that every time PO want to make a change in the way they work, the union want more money for it.
Why can’t they just do what they are paid for, and deliver the post, the way you are told!

[concerned]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

Going by the replies they don't like to hear real public opinion, only that of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

What gets to me, is that every time PO want to make a change in the way they work, the union want more money for it.
Why can’t they just do what they are paid for, and deliver the post, the way you are told!

Luddite....its not about money. And one observation i have is that the people moaning about industrial action are going to be the first people moaning when post starts getting delivered at 4pm. Which is one of the things Royal Mail want to do

[luddite123]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

Going by the replies they don't like to hear real public opinion, only that of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

What gets to me, is that every time PO want to make a change in the way they work, the union want more money for it.
Why can’t they just do what they are paid for, and deliver the post, the way you are told!

Luddite....its not about money. And one observation i have is that the people moaning about industrial action are going to be the first people moaning when post starts getting delivered at 4pm. Which is one of the things Royal Mail want to do

"Not about money" no it's about having to work for your money the way the RM (your bosses, who pay you) want you to work.
It would not bother me what time the post is delivered, the thing is, I work ALL day, thats leave home at 6.30 am and return most days at 6.30 pm.
When I am at work, like most people, I do whever I am told, I dont care what I do, I am paid each week and work hard for my money, no problems.
I know some ex postmen, and I understand the RM is not a good place to work, as you all hate the management and the management treat you like sh*t. I must say it's easy to understand why, when I read of the attitude in these forums.

Like it or not, things are going to change, so stop moaning, get your heads down and get on with your work.

[Just Matt]

Your letter is in the cab: Royal Mail bosses beat strike using taxis as Christmas chaos looms

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... looms.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

Going by the replies they don't like to hear real public opinion, only that of the sheep who can't think for themselves.

What gets to me, is that every time PO want to make a change in the way they work, the union want more money for it.
Why can’t they just do what they are paid for, and deliver the post, the way you are told!

Luddite....its not about money. And one observation i have is that the people moaning about industrial action are going to be the first people moaning when post starts getting delivered at 4pm. Which is one of the things Royal Mail want to do

"Not about money" no it's about having to work for your money the way the RM (your bosses, who pay you) want you to work.
It would not bother me what time the post is delivered, the thing is, I work ALL day, thats leave home at 6.30 am and return most days at 6.30 pm.
When I am at work, like most people, I do whever I am told, I dont care what I do, I am paid each week and work hard for my money, no problems.
I know some ex postmen, and I understand the RM is not a good place to work, as you all hate the management and the management treat you like sh*t. I must say it's easy to understand why, when I read of the attitude in these forums.

Like it or not, things are going to change, so stop moaning, get your heads down and get on with your work.

I will let the sheep comment slide even if it was meant as an insult which is not good in a debate.

I have no problem in working my full hours and even beyond, I have no problem in doing the job as RM want, in fact doing it that way is less efficient and certainly not very modern.

But what I do object to is:

1. Being forced to work overtime even if it does not suit my circumstances.
2. Being forced to work overtime and not be paid for it.
3. Being taken off pay when I say I can not complete the task in the time allotted, without the duty or task being tested to see if the managers assertion is correct, or mine is.
4. Being expected to complete the same duty at the same time/speed and accuracy without weather conditions, weight and volume of mail or call rate for a particular day being taken into account.
5. Being taken off pay when refusing overtime even though the agreement they use to justify it, specifically mentions personal circumstances will be taken into account.

Perhaps you may understand if not agree with why we are taking this action, but even if not I have to ask you is there a point, in your opinion, that the rights of a business to earn a profit and go about their lawful business eventually go so far that employees are allowed to exercise their lawful right to withdraw labour, or is it always, in your opinion, in any circumstance that workers have to accept everything that is demanded of them no matter what.

[luddite123]

I'm sorry but loads of people regulally work over their hours to get the job done, or have to rush to get it done in time, it's what most people do. It's time to shed your 1970's attitudes and join the rest of us in the real world.

You are paid good money considering you are doing what is, an unskilled job, stop moaning about the details, and do it.

I am so glad I do not have your attitude to work, it woud eat me alive, as it must be you!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Well said Mike, I think you are a bit OTT with the 'monkeys' but I get the idea.

I have no problem in working my full hours and even beyond, I have no problem in doing the job as RM want, in fact doing it that way is less efficient and certainly not very modern.

But what I do object to is:

1. Being forced to work overtime even if it does not suit my circumstances.
2. Being forced to work overtime and not be paid for it.
3. Being taken off pay when I say I can not complete the task in the time allotted, without the duty or task being tested to see if the managers assertion is correct, or mine is.
4. Being expected to complete the same duty at the same time/speed and accuracy without weather conditions, weight and volume of mail or call rate for a particular day being taken into account.
5. Being taken off pay when refusing overtime even though the agreement they use to justify it, specifically mentions personal circumstances will be taken into account.

Perhaps you may understand if not agree with why we are taking this action, but even if not I have to ask you is there a point, in your opinion, that the rights of a business to earn a profit and go about their lawful business eventually go so far that employees are allowed to exercise their lawful right to withdraw labour, or is it always, in your opinion, in any circumstance that workers have to accept everything that is demanded of them no matter what.

I'm sorry but loads of people regulally work over their hours to get the job done, or have to rush to get it done in time, it's what most people do. It's time to shed your 1970's attitudes and join the rest of us in the real world.

You are paid good money considering you are doing what is, an unskilled job, stop moaning about the details, and do it.

I am so glad I do not have your attitude to work, it woud eat me alive, as it must be you!

To paraphrase your position then

1. Its OK for employers to bully employees to get the work done.
2. Its OK for employers to not pay someone for the hours they have done.

I do regularly work over my hours, I rush every day but the more I work over the more I rush the more Royal Mail want, at what point is it OK for the employee to say enough is enough.

I have to say though that Unions are always to blame and the Bosses never are, is a strange and naive position to take. Both sides must accept the consequences of their decisions and neither side is too blame totally, but neither side is totally innocent either.

[concerned]

I'm sorry but loads of people regulally work over their hours to get the job done, or have to rush to get it done in time, it's what most people do. It's time to shed your 1970's attitudes and join the rest of us in the real world.

You are paid good money considering you are doing what is, an unskilled job, stop moaning about the details, and do it.

I am so glad I do not have your attitude to work, it woud eat me alive, as it must be you!

good money is about £16k a year?? Which is what RM pay in the majority of the UK.
Why is it, that when nurses, teachers, council workers strike - usually over working conditions or pay the public sympathise? But when it is workers who are 'unskilled' they are condemmed? Why is it more plausable if you are a teacher? they chose to be teachers for a low wage and mad working conditions also? At the end of the day, i understand what you are saying. But, the fact is when a large organisation like this literally overnight wants to change the working contracts of a large workforce, without consoltation etc then this sort of thing can happen. Yes, too many people in the UK are having to work too long hours to make ends meet - i dont agree with it. I dont agree with over the past few years salaries of managers in business have risen by about 4-8% on a massive salary while the workforce dont receive the same. And then when the minimum wage proves too expensive they outsource it to the East so they get even more money. It is not right, and it definately isnt right that a public organisation is trying to do the same. It should set an example.......in 10 years time, when all businesses have outsourced all their work and lots of unskilled people are on the dole-people like you will moan about that too.

[luddite123]

It's not all bad news
A man charged with speeding has had his conviction quashed because a postal strike led to his notification letter being delivered too late.
Look
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 332523.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well done posties!

[concerned]

It's not all bad news
A man charged with speeding has had his conviction quashed because a postal strike led to his notification letter being delivered too late.
Look
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 332523.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well done posties!

was that you then??

[Pinky 1]

It's not all bad news
A man charged with speeding has had his conviction quashed because a postal strike led to his notification letter being delivered too late.
Look
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 332523.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well done posties!

So if there's a postal strike on, drive as fast as you like eh ?
Are you now condoning this reckless behavior, even if this was 2 years ago ?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

It's not all bad news
A man charged with speeding has had his conviction quashed because a postal strike led to his notification letter being delivered too late.
Look
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 332523.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well done posties!

Please do not double post - I moved your thread from customer to News because it was News.

[Harry_Perkins]

when are you lot going to wake up and realise that the service you do , could be done by trained monkeys, it is not a skill ,you just think it is , you are way above the minimum wage as it stands for a job that the general public regard as nothing better than a macdonalds job

Says the geezer who can't write a sentence properly.