Overtime rate

[Letters123]

Hi everyone.

I’ve been offered a 25 hour contract with Royal Mail. The manager said about there being plenty of overtime opportunities as nobody wants to do it there.

As i stupidly forgot to ask the manager at the time I’ve looked through the Internet and I can’t seem to find An answer about the rate of pay for extra hours. Is it just standard pay?

Thank you.

[Dexydog]

It's pennies an hour more.
Once you get to 10 over full time hours, it actually goes DOWN.
Edit- your manager is already telling you there's as much overtime as you want, so why isn't he giving you a full time job?
Welcome to RM and the way it treats employees, you'll soon see what I mean.

[Letters123]

Good point!

[fb1969]

Your hourly rate on a 25 hour contract will include a Delivery Supplement and any area supplements that the office may get. You will receive that hourly rate, including supplements, up to a total of 38 hours (probably 37 hours from October). The rate is called SSPR. That is done to ensure that a part timer working full time hours will be paid the same as a full timer.

Once you do a total of more than 38 (soon to be 37) hours in a week, the hourly rate won't include the supplements. There is then a rate for the first 10 hours (which as dexydog says is little more than the standard hourly rate) and another rate for over 10 hours which is lower than the others!

[Dexydog]

I intend to mention this point at the Employment Tribunal for holiday pay.
Can't be legal being paid less after 10 hours, surely.

[Letters123]

Thanks guys.

It’s a 6 month to permanent thing. I was offered The job over the phone so I haven’t seen a contract yet. I also applied that long ago I can’t remember the conditions In the advert. Is there anything yous can think of that I should know in terms of rights compared to my potential future work mates who are either full time or have a proper contract.

[fb1969]

I intend to mention this point at the Employment Tribunal for holiday pay.
Can't be legal being paid less after 10 hours, surely.

They'd probably say it's fine as the base hourly rate is higher, it's just that the supplements stop.

Once you've done a year the hourly rate is £12.05 and the Delivery Supplement is £0 70. That makes £12.75 an hour up to 38 hours.

As a part timer I haven't had the 1st 10 hour rate since the last pay rise, but the last time I did do enough the rate was 11p an hour more than the base hourly rate.

Forget about "time and a half" as it's more like "time and a hundreth". As the company only survives due to overtime it's no wonder the rate is so low.

[fb1969]

Thanks guys.

It’s a 6 month to permanent thing. I was offered The job over the phone so I haven’t seen a contract yet. I also applied that long ago I can’t remember the conditions In the advert. Is there anything yous can think of that I should know in terms of rights compared to my potential future work mates who are either full time or have a proper contract.

Until they sort out how the job is done, they'll stick with the temporary contracts. I think the agreement is still a maximum of 2 years temporary. To date I don't know of anyone who hasn't been made permanent. Having your contracted hours increased will first be offered to the part timer who has been there longest - depending on the office it could be quick or it could be many years.

[Letters123]

Cheers mate. It’s good to know many get took on properly. The woman on the phone said that but I suppose she’s bound to.

As a part timer do you get the same sick pay and holiday entitlement etc as the rest?

[fb1969]

Someone who has joined more recently than me can properly answer about when you first get sick pay - I think that new starters don't get any sick pay for their first year. After that you would get your normal contracted hours as sick pay, but RM's attitude when you are off sick can't really be called "caring".

Holiday entitlement is the same for everyone, as a new starter you would get 22.5 days a year (Apr-Mar), although it is currently done in hours and not days. That would be 22.5 of your working days - but it is effectively four and a half weeks, and you can't really take 0.5 of a day so that would roll into the following year. Plus you get the Bank Holidays, and occasionally non-service days depending on the calendar (this year you'd probably get 25-28 Dec off). After 5 years you get an extra day!

For holiday pay you only currently get your contracted hours. There are changes going through that should give you your average hours (including overtime) when you go on leave - but there are several qualification points that you have to meet. If you can access this section of the forum there is more information there viewforum.php?f=67

[yellowbelly]

I intend to mention this point at the Employment Tribunal for holiday pay.
Can't be legal being paid less after 10 hours, surely.

They'd probably say it's fine as the base hourly rate is higher, it's just that the supplements stop.

Once you've done a year the hourly rate is £12.05 and the Delivery Supplement is £0 70. That makes £12.75 an hour up to 38 hours.

As a part timer I haven't had the 1st 10 hour rate since the last pay rise, but the last time I did do enough the rate was 11p an hour more than the base hourly rate.

Forget about "time and a half" as it's more like "time and a hundreth". As the company only survives due to overtime it's no wonder the rate is so low.

On today's pay chit I get the 1st 10hrs (above 38hrs) to be 12.175.

What you musn't forget is that as well as not paying any delivery supplement on this (above 38hrs) OT, they
don't pay any (RMDCP) pension contributions on it for you either so big money saver for them, big loss for you.

[fb1969]

Thanks for the calculation.

Time and a hundredth it is then!

[Racingpostie]

Thanks for the calculation.

Time and a hundredth it is then!

You'll soon learn the workaround with overtime is to barter the hours, plenty in our office agree to do O/T on frames or tracked in lets say a very workable timeframe.

[fb1969]

After 9 years I think I know how overtime works, thanks. My comment is that "time and a hundredth" is not an appealing rate.

What you are describing is ghost overtime and should be replaced with people getting contracts for the hours that are required.

[Racingpostie]

Yeah wasn't meant to reply to yourself was the person above