New seasonal worker looking for tips/help

[postslippete]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

[Smoothbackground]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

You are conflating and fudging two wholly separate things, deliberately coveting your ears and going “La-la-la, I can’t hear you”.

The convo has gone beyond SISO. We were calling out the disrespect and discourtesy, not to mention contempt, demonstrated by a small yet sizeable minority of legacy staff towards their new-entrant colleagues.

[Barnacle]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

You are conflating and fudging two wholly separate things, deliberately coveting your ears and going “La-la-la, I can’t hear you”.

The convo has gone beyond SISO. We were calling out the disrespect and discourtesy, not to mention contempt, demonstrated by a small yet sizeable minority of legacy staff towards their new-entrant colleagues.

Perhaps you should start your own thread where you can air all of your gripes about staff who have seniority over you and how your Utopian office is actually toxic.

[Space-tout]

Hi folks, i see some of the above gripes going on, i find the place strange on the whole.
Some workers are really nice, ask if you need any help etc around the S/O, then others that won't even look you in the eye but i suppose that's every work place eh?

As for the favouritism, i looked at the PDA yesterday and checked this lads amount of parcels (45) to the rest of the agency staff, 70+, 77 myself. All this is going unchecked, and i still had to wait over an hour for a van.

I no longer want to work for RM, i honestly believe management of this particular S/O have lost control, some senior manager from a different centre came down on saturday apparently to see why so many parcels were being failed, 400 on Friday, 500 on Saturday. The manageress who wants her sons mate in broke down in tears on the shop floor and is now off with stress, it was talk of the floor yesterday.

It's definitely not the institution i thought it was.

Edit to add, This 'Manageress' asked me to do an extra shift to help with the backlog of parcels, i gave up a family dinner on a Sunday to work a six hour shift, only for her to fail to confirm my hours to the agency so i won't be getting paid for that shift, i will be sending a letter of complaint when my time finishes on xmas eve.

[Barnacle]

Hi folks, i see some of the above gripes going on, i find the place strange on the whole.
Some workers are really nice, ask if you need any help etc around the S/O, then others that won't even look you in the eye but i suppose that's every work place eh?

As for the favouritism, i looked at the PDA yesterday and checked this lads amount of parcels (45) to the rest of the agency staff, 70+, 77 myself. All this is going unchecked, and i still had to wait over an hour for a van.

I no longer want to work for RM, i honestly believe management of this particular S/O have lost control, some senior manager from a different centre came down on saturday apparently to see why so many parcels were being failed, 400 on Friday, 500 on Saturday. The manageress who wants her sons mate in broke down in tears on the shop floor and is now off with stress, it was talk of the floor yesterday.

It's definitely not the institution i thought it was.

Edit to add, This 'Manageress' asked me to do an extra shift to help with the backlog of parcels, i gave up a family dinner on a Sunday to work a six hour shift, only for her to fail to confirm my hours to the agency so i won't be getting paid for that shift, i will be sending a letter of complaint when my time finishes on xmas eve.

For some reason, DOMs want to have nothing to do with the parcel delivery operation, which has meant it is often neglected. Before throwing in the towel maybe give doing a postie round a whirl? That might be more up your street.

[Londonsburning]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

You are conflating and fudging two wholly separate things, deliberately coveting your ears and going “La-la-la, I can’t hear you”.

The convo has gone beyond SISO. We were calling out the disrespect and discourtesy, not to mention contempt, demonstrated by a small yet sizeable minority of legacy staff towards their new-entrant colleagues.

What about the sizeable minority of "DPR" staff who outright take the piss by being paid 6 hours wages for doing about 2 hours work every day? This has been happening at my DO for at least 4 years now and I'm sure hundreds of other offices across the UK

[Smoothbackground]

Hi folks, i see some of the above gripes going on, i find the place strange on the whole.
Some workers are really nice, ask if you need any help etc around the S/O, then others that won't even look you in the eye but i suppose that's every work place eh?

As for the favouritism, i looked at the PDA yesterday and checked this lads amount of parcels (45) to the rest of the agency staff, 70+, 77 myself. All this is going unchecked, and i still had to wait over an hour for a van.

I no longer want to work for RM, i honestly believe management of this particular S/O have lost control, some senior manager from a different centre came down on saturday apparently to see why so many parcels were being failed, 400 on Friday, 500 on Saturday. The manageress who wants her sons mate in broke down in tears on the shop floor and is now off with stress, it was talk of the floor yesterday.

It's definitely not the institution i thought it was.

Edit to add, This 'Manageress' asked me to do an extra shift to help with the backlog of parcels, i gave up a family dinner on a Sunday to work a six hour shift, only for her to fail to confirm my hours to the agency so i won't be getting paid for that shift, i will be sending a letter of complaint when my time finishes on xmas eve.

Glad you also see the “gripes” I refer to, SpaceTout. We’re def not alone — all 20,000 new starters since 2022 can also clearly see the “gripes”, as indeed can all agency and casual staff — it is like a bad stench that hits you immediately you enter any RM premises.

Like I said, Barnacle can’t see the wood for the trees, since she/he is part of the problem, and I am somewhat saddened to see also Pete falls into the same grouping.

PS: The ones who won’t look you in the eye are liable to turn aggressive/belligerent/rude, but if you shame them or give it back to them badly enough in front of their mates it works wonders!

[Smoothbackground]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

You are conflating and fudging two wholly separate things, deliberately coveting your ears and going “La-la-la, I can’t hear you”.

The convo has gone beyond SISO. We were calling out the disrespect and discourtesy, not to mention contempt, demonstrated by a small yet sizeable minority of legacy staff towards their new-entrant colleagues.

What about the sizeable minority of "DPR" staff who outright take the piss by being paid 6 hours wages for doing about 2 hours work every day? This has been happening at my DO for at least 4 years now and I'm sure hundreds of other offices across the UK

How can you speak as to the goings on at “hundreds of other offices”? Fine, express an opinion as to offices you personally have knowledge or experience of, but you surely cannot know what goes in hundreds of other offices? Please confirm.

And how are you quantifying it as two hours’ work? All DPRs in our region are at least five hours in duration, usually longer. I have never come across a two-hour DPR — ever. A DPR usually look something like this…

IMG_5040.png

. Are hundreds of offices really doing two-hour DPRs but paying six hours’ pay? Nah, thought not.

[postslippete]

Edit to add, This 'Manageress' asked me to do an extra shift to help with the backlog of parcels, i gave up a family dinner on a Sunday to work a six hour shift, only for her to fail to confirm my hours to the agency so i won't be getting paid for that shift, i will be sending a letter of complaint when my time finishes on xmas eve.

For some reason I've trained up more of the new starters than our workplace coach. I don't mind taking the time to explain everything and answer their questions. Last week, there were three of us going out in a large van with all the loops and big parcels!!

Did you clock in/out or login to a PDA with your name? That will show that you have worked for the day. It will be on the managers dashboard and if your manager is off sick then you might try contacting payroll - 0345 606 0603 or email advicecentrePAY@royalmail.com.

I wouldn't wait until xmas eve because your agency can delay paying you while they get proof of the hours that you worked, but only for a reasonable period of time. I know it doesn't apply to you, but I've reminded a few of the new starters that today is the last date that those on monthly contracts that the December pay date can be moved by request through the People app so that they receive their wages and overtime on December 24th

[Londonsburning]

Hi folks, i see some of the above gripes going on, i find the place strange on the whole.
Some workers are really nice, ask if you need any help etc around the S/O, then others that won't even look you in the eye but i suppose that's every work place eh?

As for the favouritism, i looked at the PDA yesterday and checked this lads amount of parcels (45) to the rest of the agency staff, 70+, 77 myself. All this is going unchecked, and i still had to wait over an hour for a van.

I no longer want to work for RM, i honestly believe management of this particular S/O have lost control, some senior manager from a different centre came down on saturday apparently to see why so many parcels were being failed, 400 on Friday, 500 on Saturday. The manageress who wants her sons mate in broke down in tears on the shop floor and is now off with stress, it was talk of the floor yesterday.

It's definitely not the institution i thought it was.

Edit to add, This 'Manageress' asked me to do an extra shift to help with the backlog of parcels, i gave up a family dinner on a Sunday to work a six hour shift, only for her to fail to confirm my hours to the agency so i won't be getting paid for that shift, i will be sending a letter of complaint when my time finishes on xmas eve.

Glad you also see the “gripes” I refer to, SpaceTout. We’re def not alone — all 20,000 new starters since 2022 can also clearly see the “gripes”, as indeed can all agency and casual staff — it is like a bad stench that hits you immediately you enter any RM premises.

Like I said, Barnacle can’t see the wood for the trees, since she/he is part of the problem, and I am somewhat saddened to see also Pete falls into the same grouping.

PS: The ones who won’t look you in the eye are liable to turn aggressive/belligerent/rude, but if you shame them or give it back to them badly enough in front of their mates it works wonders!

all 20,000 new starters since 2022 can also clearly see the "gripes

yeah okay then smooth How can you speak for 20,000 new starts?

[postslippete]

Glad you also see the “gripes” I refer to, SpaceTout. We’re def not alone — all 20,000 new starters since 2022 can also clearly see the “gripes”, as indeed can all agency and casual staff — it is like a bad stench that hits you immediately you enter any RM premises.

Like I said, Barnacle can’t see the wood for the trees, since she/he is part of the problem, and I am somewhat saddened to see also Pete falls into the same grouping.

PS: The ones who won’t look you in the eye are liable to turn aggressive/belligerent/rude, but if you shame them or give it back to them badly enough in front of their mates it works wonders!

I'm sorry that you feel that way Smooth but you couldn't be more wrong. How many times on here have I spoken about the need to get their contracts levelled up!! We are all on the same team so what you said really annoys me. Yes, there is favouritism in delivery offices and I hear many of the issues that new starts have from not being paid for doing D2Ds (or rather the delivery supplement), paid breaks and being moved from pillar to post.

There is also the issue of ghosting which hasn't really gone away when managers are desperate in a time of crisis and I get where you are coming from. If you can deliver 120 parcels and it only takes you 5 hours instead of over 7 hours, then why shouldn't it be an incentive for you to clock out early? A part of me wishes that we could go back to the old days of 'job and finish' but my head tells me that the business doesn't see it that way with SISO and what they want is staff to be paid for all the hours that they work. You don't agree with I've said, fine, but don't then try and twist things and say that I've got something against new starters when I haven't.

[Smoothbackground]

Glad you also see the “gripes” I refer to, SpaceTout. We’re def not alone — all 20,000 new starters since 2022 can also clearly see the “gripes”, as indeed can all agency and casual staff — it is like a bad stench that hits you immediately you enter any RM premises.

Like I said, Barnacle can’t see the wood for the trees, since she/he is part of the problem, and I am somewhat saddened to see also Pete falls into the same grouping.

PS: The ones who won’t look you in the eye are liable to turn aggressive/belligerent/rude, but if you shame them or give it back to them badly enough in front of their mates it works wonders!

I'm sorry that you feel that way Smooth but you couldn't be more wrong. How many times on here have I spoken about the need to get their contracts levelled up!! We are all on the same team so what you said really annoys me. Yes, there is favouritism in delivery offices and I hear many of the issues that new starts have from not being paid for doing D2Ds (or rather the delivery supplement), paid breaks and being moved from pillar to post.

There is also the issue of ghosting which hasn't really gone away when managers are desperate in a time of crisis and I get where you are coming from. If you can deliver 120 parcels and it only takes you 5 hours instead of over 7 hours, then why shouldn't it be an incentive for you to clock out early? A part of me wishes that we could go back to the old days of 'job and finish' but my head tells me that the business doesn't see it that way with SISO and what they want is staff to be paid for all the hours that they work. You don't agree with I've said, fine, but don't then try and twist things and say that I've got something against new starters when I haven't.

But this conversation isn’t about levelling up of Ts and Cs, which is a wholly separate debate imho— this conversation is about the attitude and behaviour of a minority of legacy staff towards new entrants. You have indeed always been clear on here in advocating for parity in Ts and Cs, and I haven’t for a second suggested otherwise. This is about other “gripes”.

As for ghosting, as a Postie With Driving who frequently (but not exclusively) undertakes a DPR duty, I can say that I am not a Casper! I work for every second that I am employed. I obviously cannot — and do not — speak for all DPR drivers across RM, nor can I speculate as to what goes on elsewhere, but at my office, if you beat the PDA time and somehow finish early you go back for more work.

[richietns]

This thread is going way off topic but Barnacle makes a really good point about people working all the hours they should be paid for. Space-tout is delivering parcels on a DPR with a finish time of 8pm but has to finish at 7pm otherwise the place is locked up. However, if I finish an hour early having delivered well over 100 tracked items and bring some of the mail back that I didn't manage to deliver then I would be expected to go back out and work till my finish time. If I'm not allowed to finish early then why are other staff allowed? This is neither respectful, courteous nor a two way road

You are conflating and fudging two wholly separate things, deliberately coveting your ears and going “La-la-la, I can’t hear you”.

The convo has gone beyond SISO. We were calling out the disrespect and discourtesy, not to mention contempt, demonstrated by a small yet sizeable minority of legacy staff towards their new-entrant colleagues.

What about the sizeable minority of "DPR" staff who outright take the piss by being paid 6 hours wages for doing about 2 hours work every day? This has been happening at my DO for at least 4 years now and I'm sure hundreds of other offices across the UK

How can you speak as to the goings on at “hundreds of other offices”? Fine, express an opinion as to offices you personally have knowledge or experience of, but you surely cannot know what goes in hundreds of other offices? Please confirm.

And how are you quantifying it as two hours’ work? All DPRs in our region are at least five hours in duration, usually longer. I have never come across a two-hour DPR — ever. A DPR usually look something like this…IMG_5040.png. Are hundreds of offices really doing two-hour DPRs but paying six hours’ pay? Nah, thought not.

"How can you speak as to the goings on at “hundreds of other offices”? Fine, express an opinion as to offices you personally have knowledge or experience of, but you surely cannot know what goes in hundreds of other offices? Please confirm."
Neither can you,you seem to be very one sided.

[Smoothbackground]

"How can you speak as to the goings on at “hundreds of other offices”? Fine, express an opinion as to offices you personally have knowledge or experience of, but you surely cannot know what goes in hundreds of other offices? Please confirm."
Neither can you,you seem to be very one sided.

I haven’t claimed to have any such knowledge or experience. Indeed, my subsequent posting in this thread made that point explicitly clear.

[Barnacle]

Divide to conquer. Not going to work.