Lies Royal Mail Lies -Union failure

[DirtyHarry]

Royal Mail really is a shyte company to work for.
If ever I'm lucky enough to land another job, it will be an improvement on what I have now, not a straight swap, like for like.
Only a moron would do that, and by God, do we have more than our fair share of them, and that's a fact.

[maisymoo04]

H thort you were talkin about yeself then pal haha soz mate joke

[arnold cheshire]

H thort you were talkin about yeself then pal haha soz mate joke

chav talking rub bish

[maisymoo04]

chav

[malcolm3011]

The RM lies just go on and on, Just before Christmas the shares were worth around £1500 ,now after the heavy Christmas post ,they are worthless.lie. Wait and watch as they will start to go up again in May June right up to January,then they will start crashing down again.RM say they have told us that just like real shares they can go down as well as up,yes ok,but unlike real shares you can't bail out when you can see they are going to be worthless.RM keep on and on tell everybody the mail is down again,like shite it is,We all knew that when they told offices to stop weighing the mail it would go down straight away,lie.Our health and safety is top of their list,like shite it is,they could not care less about you.The also lied about the pension,they took a 10 year pension holiday,but took all the postmans pension money over that time,can I have it back please as it did not go into my pension.the cwu should go to court and get all that money back for the postman.RM tell us we can be sacked if we delay mail,but its ok if the managers to hold whole rounds in the office,The managers say all RM want is for postman to work all their hours,yer ok,just like our little shite of a manager does,when he goes to all those meetings that don't exist .The only thing postman can do to feel better is take your time,bring mail back.and have as many days off sick as you need to recover from illness..We all know that the top people at RM are making millions for themselves.mail down mail down,its no good going on strike,as we will never make the money back we lose,work to rule,the whole office,tell the public about it,get them all to opt out of door2door.mail down mail down.fracking hell if its down anymore we will be paying RM to come to work.come on Mr Hayes and Mr Ward get off your arses and earn your money.o one last thing thanks cwu for dumping us all in the biggest pile of shite ever. JUPITERS COCK, LET ME SPREAD MY CHEEKS SO ROYAL MAIL CAN GIVE ME ANOTHER GOOD SHAFTING

Right on brother

[Martin Walsh]

Look it is very easy all moaning and saying why dont Billy and Dave do this or do that.

Face the facts , Royal Mail are not in a great place financially , they are losing revenue faster than they are rasing it. They have a pension deficit which they cannot afford and they have de regulation which is giving away the profitbale parts of the mail services whilst leaving Royal Mail with the costly unprofitable parts of the mail system. They have just decalred that the business plan which the Business Transformation agreement is based is not producing the money either at the speed they thought or on the plans they thought. They have told the union that the plan is going to take 5 years rather than the 3 years to be introduced.

In addition they have agreed a new business plan with the Government . They have yet to fully explain the plan to the union or their senior management. Last Wednesday Moya Greene had all the senior managers at a meeting at the excel to explain the problems the business is in and what it was doing. She was also critical of the way managers treat front line staff. Whether anyone listens remains to be seen.

Now there will be movement on regualtion including DSA etc very soon. Now the union met with the government earlier this week and the union who have been pressuring on the issue of regulation and pensions have been told this as have Royal Mail.

Now in terms of colleague share well there will be talks on this but it is the classic con , my guess the new business plan has revalued the business based on the pension defecit and once that is taken on by the government then the company become worth much more but in the mean time they do not have to pay the cash out. A con but not the union`s fault but it is only the union who is taking up the issue and is now in talks on it.

Now I really do wonder if most of you have ever been in negotations either with Royal Mail or in life generally be that with the bank manager of even the Mrs . what you agree is based on the cards you have to play , the union cant say to Royal Mail well that business plan you borrowed all that money for walk sequencing , CDVs , Door to Door , Geo route etc well you will just have to bin it as we all want to say the same. Instead the union has to try and get the best deal and stop the worst aspects of what the employer wants to do . Does the union get everything it wants no but equally neither does Royal Mail if it did it would not be going to the government now asking for a new business plan. Thats what an agreement is. Now it is easy for indivuduals saying why dont you say stuff it to Royal Mail , well without an agreement they will do what they always did before introduce it where they can and then those places will call for the union to reach an agreement on what they implemented. The problem being is that it becomes a weakened postion as if they have already introduced it in a load of places thy will say we dont need an agreemtn as they did under delivery best praticse.

[edbling]

right folks am bein straight now ,all this bull s**t everyone is typin(says me now) if you think the company is shite WHY DONT YOU LEAVE THEN and work for tnt or dhl and all the other list of shite carriers were you have to work till the end of a shift.at least with the shite company you work for its job and finish.i no the jobs shite but who do you no who got a payrise this year av got mates who work for the other carriers and did they crap get a pay rise.ok £5.60 was it better then a kick in the arse dont ye think,so stop fu@@@ moanin about the company if you dont like it fu@@ off simple

16 years with the company,like my job,dont think its shite as you do,just cant tolerate being lied to. i as everyone who work for the company whatever level deserve RESPECT!

[BELIAL]

Face the facts , Royal Mail are not in a great place financially , they are losing revenue faster than they are rasing it. They have a pension deficit which they cannot afford and they have de regulation which is giving away the profitbale parts of the mail services whilst leaving Royal Mail with the costly unprofitable parts of the mail system.

I take it from that statement that you are fully signed up to RM operating as a "business" rather than a public service ?
Many things flow naturally from that assumption and none of them will benefit the workforce or customers

[Martin Walsh]

Belial no thats not the case but when I joined in 1985 it was a service and was still making money and the tory government of the day was taking millions off of it under the heading the EFL ( external finance limit ). We have had countless re-organisations since then and we all know the service mantra has been replaced by the profit profit and more profit.

Now the fact is that the business cannot make a profit if all the profitable part of the mail service is given away and the costly part of it the USO is reatained.

However it is ilrelevant as we all know what ever the government of the day is it wont invest money into making Royal Mail a service industry and one not for profit. So really it a non debate.

[hubbahubba]

Dingo,you say that when meeting with the employer you have to "play the cards you have"to get the best settlement you can to counter all that RM want to do.Fair enough.But can you tell us what exactly you managed to stop RM imposing on us,as i feel a lot of people,wrongly or rightly,believe RM got just about all they wanted from the 2010 agreement,while the average worker got bugger all?What did the CWU manage to STOP RM doing???

[fishtank]

The problem isn't playing the cards you've got....it's how you play them and whether you have the bottle go "all in" with what you have.
The membership gave the CWU a decent set of cards in 2009 but instead of raising over Christmas they decided to flat call with the interim agreement and showed weakness to the opponent...Royal Mail sensed that weakness and raised....and the CWU,unsure of how strong it's hand was....depending on opinion either agreed to split the pot or folded.

[hubbahubba]

The problem isn't playing the cards you've got....it's how you play them and whether you have the bottle go "all in" with what you have.
The membership gave the CWU a decent set of cards in 2009 but instead of raising over Christmas they decided to flat call with the interim agreement and showed weakness to the opponent...Royal Mail sensed that weakness and raised....and the CWU,unsure of how strong it's hand was....depending on opinion either agreed to split the pot or folded.

You gotta stay off that skypoker..............
If you remember the run up to 2009 we had em by the balls,national strikes that were WELL supported,SKY,and BBC coverage daily, sometimes hourly updates,even mandelson was on the run,and just when the screw was well and truly turned,BANG! We let em off the hook,just in time to clear Christmas! Bet they couldn't believe their luck.Then we go into MONTHS of talks,in which we end up with what?Be happy you got a job,regardless of working conditions??People keep banging on about the falling revenue,thats all RM's fault,they made the original agreement with the DSA companies,not you or i.It was probably the same team of senior managers that bought a load of eastern european countries postal rights in the early 2000's for £100's of Millions,only to give them all away for next to nothing!The higher up in this joke of a company you go,the larger the paypacket,and MORON collecting it,yet we're told to work harder,for less....Magic,cheers!

[DirtyHarry]

The problem isn't playing the cards you've got....it's how you play them and whether you have the bottle go "all in" with what you have.
The membership gave the CWU a decent set of cards in 2009 but instead of raising over Christmas they decided to flat call with the interim agreement and showed weakness to the opponent...Royal Mail sensed that weakness and raised....and the CWU,unsure of how strong it's hand was....depending on opinion either agreed to split the pot or folded.

Great analogy, fishtank.

[DirtyHarry]

H thort you were talkin about yeself then pal haha soz mate joke

Nah, you're going to have to provide subtitles, I'm afraid.

[DGP1]

H thort you were talkin about yeself then pal haha soz mate joke

Nah, you're going to have to provide subtitles, I'm afraid.

Is that not Ulster Scots