Bag weights for flats and stairs on delivery

[ramone]

Hi
Can any one confirm for me what are the max bag weight are for stairs and flats? - I am pretty sure its 5kgs but I need a hard copy to prove a jumped up manager wrong

[woofwoof]

and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater
than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc.

u mean like this i will put the lighten the load doc in the downloads

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[brothermagrew]

and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater
than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc.

u mean like this i will put the lighten the load doc in the downloads

brother woofwoof the Lighten the Load CWU document was already posted in the Downloads by brother Johnnyp as far back as Sep 2008.

[ramone]

and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater
than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc.

u mean like this i will put the lighten the load doc in the downloads

brother woofwoof the Lighten the Load CWU document was already posted in the Downloads by brother Johnnyp as far back as Sep 2008.

Cheers guys
I knew I was right but I could not remember where I saw it at. I will point out to the manager the errors of his ways on Monday

[DGP1]

Does the 5kg still apply if you use the lift

[brothermagrew]

and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater
than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc.

u mean like this i will put the lighten the load doc in the downloads

brother woofwoof the Lighten the Load CWU document was already posted in the Downloads by brother Johnnyp as far back as Sep 2008.

Cheers guys
I knew I was right but I could not remember where I saw it at. I will point out to the manager the errors of his ways on Monday

Do so bro with dignity and respect, but before you do, have consideration for the wording "or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc: Question you have to consider is whether the majority of the delivery round consists mostly of delivering to flats and trundling up and down stairs. Be sure as night follows day your DOM will latch on to the word "predominantly.

[ramone]

and reduced to a Max of 5kg if walking up slopes greater
than 1 in 8 or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc.

u mean like this i will put the lighten the load doc in the downloads

brother woofwoof the Lighten the Load CWU document was already posted in the Downloads by brother Johnnyp as far back as Sep 2008.

Cheers guys
I knew I was right but I could not remember where I saw it at. I will point out to the manager the errors of his ways on Monday

Do so bro with dignity and respect, but before you do, have consideration for the wording "or the delivery walk is one that predominantly goes up and down stairs etc: Question you have to consider is whether the majority of the delivery round consists mostly of delivering to flats and trundling up and down stairs. Be sure as night follows day your DOM will latch on to the word "predominantly.

I will treat the manager with absolute dignity - However, the reason I brought up this thread was that in our DO we have two duties which have a large number of stairs on them. Both the duty holders are carrying back and knee problems, the duties have medically retired two other posties. I have tried through SI meetings with the DOM to make this a priority, so I inform the the duty holders of the recommended bag weights for stairs (5kg). They both inform me that they were never informed of the bag weights for stairs by the previous H & S rep (who is the now a jumped up manager who is telling them it is 8kgs)

[resperin]

why dont people use a trolley on walks with lots of flats, just take a bundle out each time you enter a new block or something.

[ramone]

why dont people use a trolley on walks with lots of flats, just take a bundle out each time you enter a new block or something.

I am trying to convince these guys that it is in their long term health interests to use a trolley. The area of the walks has some security issues (the blocks are open walk ways) but I'm sure solutions could be found (timed bags). But sometimes its like talking to the wall They believe that they will be out longer on delivery and they don't want to do that even when you tell them that they will feel not as tired when they have finished and be healthier! I have been trying to get a HCT into the DO for months. I don't believe the DOM wants it in, cause he believes that the delivery time will go up or part of the duty will have to be taken off.

[resperin]

even when you tell them that they will feel not as tired when they have finished and be healthier!

exactly, and you can finish quicker than someone using a bags because the heavy load is likely to slow you down. im able to finish quicker than someone using a car, not to mention most my current walk has houses so it means i got to move the trolley for every home i deliver to

[Mezza]

My duty involved delivering to 6 tower blocks, 22 floors, 4 flats to a floor.
I stuck to the 5kg bag weight, but as the average daily mail volume per block was about 8-10 kilos i asked my DOM about this. he said that 'Yes' the bag weight is 5 kg, so that means you have a 5kg bundle inclusive of pakets in your pouch, and then you carry a bundle in your hand from which you will be delivering from first.
Now i never had any problems with that and all was fine, for about 18 months, then i had a pain in my left foot...this was diagnosed as Plantar fasciitis, a nasty, painful condition which resulted in taking 3 months off. I returned to work in December last year after a steroid injection, feeling ok, just doing light indoor duties. Then in January this year it played up again...this time diagnosed as torn ankle ligaments in the same foot. Apparently the condition i originally had, followed by the steroid injection may have masked the torn ligaments. I returned to work last week, yet again on a rehab programme of light duties for several weeks.
I have seen my GP, 2 physios, a hospital consultant as well as speaking to a well informed person at Atos Origin - all these people said that delivering to these tower blocks has been the main cause of my condition.The impact of the stairs on my foot, coupled with weight causing me to lean slightly to one side when going down the stairs ( you rarely notice your even doing this) The 2nd physio i saw was amazed that this was not a H&S issue ( but having inquired with the H&S exec, there is no ruling on the number of stairs used safely on a daily basis). My hospital consultant informed me that not only negotiating about 2500 stairs everyday was a major factor in causing my condition, but it was also highly likely that the footwear i was wearing was unsuitable. Having worn RM Magnums why does that not suprise me.
Surely this issue about how many stairs are safe on any duty is something that needs some form of attention. I mentioned this to my DOM and he said they would look to ensure i had a duty more suitable with my condition - all well and good for me, but what about the next poor sod who takes this duty on. And, also as mentioned in the original post, it's affecting plenty of us.
I now have the pleasure of a stage 2 hearing at some point - i wonder how far i'll get when i mention this is surely a work related illness?

[johnsouthwales]

have u got it underneath the heel itself?

[stokes11eg]

My duty involved delivering to 6 tower blocks, 22 floors, 4 flats to a floor.
I stuck to the 5kg bag weight, but as the average daily mail volume per block was about 8-10 kilos i asked my DOM about this. he said that 'Yes' the bag weight is 5 kg, so that means you have a 5kg bundle inclusive of pakets in your pouch, and then you carry a bundle in your hand from which you will be delivering from first.
Now i never had any problems with that and all was fine, for about 18 months, then i had a pain in my left foot...this was diagnosed as Plantar fasciitis, a nasty, painful condition which resulted in taking 3 months off. I returned to work in December last year after a steroid injection, feeling ok, just doing light indoor duties. Then in January this year it played up again...this time diagnosed as torn ankle ligaments in the same foot. Apparently the condition i originally had, followed by the steroid injection may have masked the torn ligaments. I returned to work last week, yet again on a rehab programme of light duties for several weeks.
I have seen my GP, 2 physios, a hospital consultant as well as speaking to a well informed person at Atos Origin - all these people said that delivering to these tower blocks has been the main cause of my condition.The impact of the stairs on my foot, coupled with weight causing me to lean slightly to one side when going down the stairs ( you rarely notice your even doing this) The 2nd physio i saw was amazed that this was not a H&S issue ( but having inquired with the H&S exec, there is no ruling on the number of stairs used safely on a daily basis). My hospital consultant informed me that not only negotiating about 2500 stairs everyday was a major factor in causing my condition, but it was also highly likely that the footwear i was wearing was unsuitable. Having worn RM Magnums why does that not suprise me.
Surely this issue about how many stairs are safe on any duty is something that needs some form of attention. I mentioned this to my DOM and he said they would look to ensure i had a duty more suitable with my condition - all well and good for me, but what about the next poor sod who takes this duty on. And, also as mentioned in the original post, it's affecting plenty of us.
I now have the pleasure of a stage 2 hearing at some point - i wonder how far i'll get when i mention this is surely a work related illness?

Have you got written reports from ATOS? you are entitled to them, and you could take them in to your meeting.
If it backs up your claim-they would be on a very sticky wicket trying to give you a warning. This could almost be classed as
an accident at work, and therefore you should not get a warning. Also, get you hospital consultant to back up your claim
about unsuitable footwear-it may cost you a few pounds for the letter,but well worth it.
I wouls tall the management prior to the meeting, that you intend to do this, it will make them think twice!!!
good luck.

[Mezza]

Thank's for the responses lads,
yes i have it directly under the heel of my left foot. I'm pleased to say that i seem to have recovered from it now. The recent condition was torn ligamanets in the ankle on the same foot.

I ahd my Stage 2 hearing today and mentioned that i wanted to appeal against it as it was a work related injury. My manager then explained that as there was no course of appeal to a Stage 1 or 2, that the stage would be issued for my interests( MY interests??). His reasoning being that if it was all documented and it ever came back then the possibilty of a Stage 3 being issued, would then mean i could appeal against the Stage 2. Seems a very backward way of doing things, but then that's RM to a tee.
I'm not overly concerned about it to be honest, as long as i'm over it then i'm pleased.My DOM has been really good in sorting out duties i'm able to manage, and will continue to do so.
I just wish they would rethink the actual duty that caused my injury in order to prevent anyone else suffering.
When i was first diagnosed with Plantar Fasciitis, the ATOS rep i spoke to ( who was suprisingly knowledgeable in the subject) said i would never be able to do a delivery duty ever again!! to say i was alarmed was putting it mildly, especially as i don't drive and work in a fairly small office with just 4 indoor duties, thoughts of moving to the mail centre or medical retirement.
I am going to get copies of the ATOS reports, just so that i have the documentation, but also as they all contradict each other.

[stokes11eg]

Thank's for the responses lads,
yes i have it directly under the heel of my left foot. I'm pleased to say that i seem to have recovered from it now. The recent condition was torn ligamanets in the ankle on the same foot.

I ahd my Stage 2 hearing today and mentioned that i wanted to appeal against it as it was a work related injury. My manager then explained that as there was no course of appeal to a Stage 1 or 2, that the stage would be issued for my interests( MY interests??). His reasoning being that if it was all documented and it ever came back then the possibilty of a Stage 3 being issued, would then mean i could appeal against the Stage 2. Seems a very backward way of doing things, but then that's RM to a tee.
I'm not overly concerned about it to be honest, as long as i'm over it then i'm pleased.My DOM has been really good in sorting out duties i'm able to manage, and will continue to do so.
I just wish they would rethink the actual duty that caused my injury in order to prevent anyone else suffering.
When i was first diagnosed with Plantar Fasciitis, the ATOS rep i spoke to ( who was suprisingly knowledgeable in the subject) said i would never be able to do a delivery duty ever again!! to say i was alarmed was putting it mildly, especially as i don't drive and work in a fairly small office with just 4 indoor duties, thoughts of moving to the mail centre or medical retirement.
I am going to get copies of the ATOS reports, just so that i have the documentation, but also as they all contradict each other.

Back to ATOS again!!!They are some company. But get your reports. Having gone through similar myself-get fighting back. and do not trust what the Management say to you.If you accept what they say, you are really agreeing with what they
say and accepting warnings, which you have very little chance of appealing against--again, if your consultant
backs you up with regard to the footwear being, in part responsible for your condition, you have a very good chance of
having warnings overturned in the name of common sense.
good Luck.