LTB 485/2021 – Royal Mail Materials Handling Containerisation Update & Christmas Arrangements 2021 – Health & Safety Aspects : The BIGGEST ever LTB ever

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The f**k you attitude is appalling.

We cant expect management to be better when MCs say to DOs tough s**t. Nothing will change unless everyone takes responsibility for health and safety. It's bad enough when managers make your job harder, its is a kick in the teeth when MCs do so because haven't the time to make it better.

We really do f**k ourselves in Royal Mail.

[SpacePhoenix]

The f**k you attitude is appalling.

It's a case of practicality. With the amount of work that we have coming in, we don't have the space to store it so it has to go out to the DOs, whether they have the room or not. Chances are that we'll have to send out any cardboard sleeves without the false bases as we'll need to maximise the amount of mail that can be loaded onto a lorry to the DOs. With the driver shortage they'll effectively be no extra lorries for MC -> DO runs

Say a big DO gets 4-5k of Tracked a night at Xmas, the MC could be dealing with 70-80k. You've probably got a simialr amount of non-Tracked as well.

You'd better hope that we're allowed to roll-over any left-over sequence batches otherwise some days DOs will be getting 20+ trays of manual. This time of year running it through our iLSMs (which would normally be our backup) isn't an option as they'll be running outward sort plans. It'll be no good sending them back to the MC as we'll just send them straight back to you as we won't have the capacity to run it

[2yearpostie]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

[SpacePhoenix]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

[2yearpostie]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

[SpacePhoenix]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

[2yearpostie]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

[SpacePhoenix]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

There's nothing special about the pallets. They're just bog standard wooden pallets, with the work stacked on the top, wrapped in clingfilm. It'll just be a case of DO staff cutting the clingfilm away, unloading the pallet, then putting the empty pallet to one side.

Won't cause issues at a good few DOs in the local area as the lorries can't reverse into their yards as they're too big

[2yearpostie]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

There's nothing special about the pallets. They're just bog standard wooden pallets, with the work stacked on the top, wrapped in clingfilm. It'll just be a case of DO staff cutting the clingfilm away, unloading the pallet, then putting the empty pallet to one side.

Won't cause issues at a good few DOs in the local area as the lorries can't reverse into their yards as they're too big

Its an issue if the pallet is dumped in the yard/ by the front door and sorting takes place elsewhere in the building when a delivery office has not got the equipment to move them.

[clashcityrocker]

The f**k you attitude is appalling.

Language!

[SpacePhoenix]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

There's nothing special about the pallets. They're just bog standard wooden pallets, with the work stacked on the top, wrapped in clingfilm. It'll just be a case of DO staff cutting the clingfilm away, unloading the pallet, then putting the empty pallet to one side.

Won't cause issues at a good few DOs in the local area as the lorries can't reverse into their yards as they're too big

Its an issue if the pallet is dumped in the yard/ by the front door and sorting takes place elsewhere in the building when a delivery office has not got the equipment to move them.

How hard is it to get 2 or three yorks, empty the contents of the pallet into the yorks, wheel them to where the sorting is done, and them empty them? It might mean 2 or 3 round trips between the pallet and where the sorting is done

[2yearpostie]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

There's nothing special about the pallets. They're just bog standard wooden pallets, with the work stacked on the top, wrapped in clingfilm. It'll just be a case of DO staff cutting the clingfilm away, unloading the pallet, then putting the empty pallet to one side.

Won't cause issues at a good few DOs in the local area as the lorries can't reverse into their yards as they're too big

Its an issue if the pallet is dumped in the yard/ by the front door and sorting takes place elsewhere in the building when a delivery office has not got the equipment to move them.

How hard is it to get 2 or three yorks, empty the contents of the pallet into the yorks, wheel them to where the sorting is done, and them empty them? It might mean 2 or 3 round trips between the pallet and where the sorting is done

Time, Delivery offices dont have the time to be doing that kind of thing in December, They need sorting properly at the MC

[clashcityrocker]

Stop quoting the whole f***ing conversation.

[SpacePhoenix]

no way of moving pallets in the D.O so itll get refused at mine and sent back to the mc

And we'll send it straight back to the DO as the space where it was will have already been taken. tbqf it'll be a case of tough s**t. We've got extra lorries but not the drivers to drive them so we won't be able to have lorries stuck somewhere full up with no where to unload.

Having the artics leave their trailers behind is not an option as the lorries that do the MC -> DO runs will need them bays and this time of year we can sometimes have 3-4 artics arrive at the same time. The artic drivers can't hang around waiting for space to be cleared to unload as they're on restricted hours.

Then it will stay on the truck. Like I said we have nothing to move pallets at our delivery office and the days of handballing are long gone.

Then the truck will have to stay in your yard or the truck driver will have to take a pallet truck and unload it, to anywhere in your yard

Then how do we move it without the equipment to move it?
The most likely thing to happen is the do will refuse it and send it back to the mc, the mc will send it back, the do will send it back...

A good few of the runs will be overnight when the DOs don't have any staff in so they won't get a say. By the time they come in, the same lorry will be doing another run either to the same DO or another DO. It could also potentially be doing a "local MC run" between it's parent MC and the nearest MC.

True but if its dumped in front of the door without a means of us being able to move it then we wont have access to the delivery office to process anything until the truck comes back, at which point it will be shoved back on the truck to be processed properly at the mc.

Nope, because the truck will be filled up with more and it can't be processed into yorks and sleeves if we've not got any. we're already using a fair few cardboard sleeves. Some of the runs are already blown out already and we're not even into the main Xmas pressure yet

looks like itll be staying in the car park then! Would cause more issues for the truck drivers than the posties.

There's nothing special about the pallets. They're just bog standard wooden pallets, with the work stacked on the top, wrapped in clingfilm. It'll just be a case of DO staff cutting the clingfilm away, unloading the pallet, then putting the empty pallet to one side.

Won't cause issues at a good few DOs in the local area as the lorries can't reverse into their yards as they're too big

Its an issue if the pallet is dumped in the yard/ by the front door and sorting takes place elsewhere in the building when a delivery office has not got the equipment to move them.

How hard is it to get 2 or three yorks, empty the contents of the pallet into the yorks, wheel them to where the sorting is done, and them empty them? It might mean 2 or 3 round trips between the pallet and where the sorting is done

Time, Delivery offices dont have the time to be doing that kind of thing in December, They need sorting properly at the MC

This time of year it's just tough luck. The work will go out on whatever we have available be it to another MC, an RDC or a DO. At some point we'll probably find just about all our work coming in on pallets. Where do you prose we get the yorks from then? We'll just have to send the stuff out on pallets or loose load it

[POSTMAN]

Stop quoting the whole f***ing conversation.