Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[Flashman]

I did ask the question about the H&S object, but I didn't bring management into the discussion,

Yes you did, you asked me if I had seen a manager attack anyone with a H&S object. What exactly does that have to do with the Imps.

My first reference to managers was with regards to how they work on an imp during the pressure.

So my question was in keeping with the topic of this thread whereas yours had little to do with anything relating to the imps.

[postal_jedi]

Flashman, I am in agreement with you. I don’t know what your point here is. I have admitted I asked the question. My question was to point out the extreme path I felt this line of posts was going to take. I reiterated this in my following post to you. The fact remains I did not introduce or compare or suggest we shadow, managers, which axeman took me to have done. I do believe staff have to take responsibility for their own behaviour. I don’t think it is enough to say if management do something, you can't blame the staff for doing it either. I wouldn’t condone a member of staff stealing because a member of management has. This is a ridiculously pedantic line to go down. It is only going to end with us arguing over the definitions of words we have typed. I will say this, I don't think it anymore right for a manager to be behaving the way I witnessed the IMP staff behaving. I would go as far as to say it is worse and the manager should be disciplined for it. I have never witnessed a manager on an IMP let alone behave like that.

Star dust, I'm sure unacceptable behaviour goes on in many sections of RM. As I have already mentioned, I don't think that is really an excuse for any member of staff to feel they have a right to do it also. I am not opposed to talking, I do it myself. I haven't seen it, along with other things, go on to the degree I witnessed, and have witnessed several other times now, on the IMPs. I feel though the IMP staff are a very easy target for management to cut. You have openly admitted you have a lot of free time on the machine. It is plausible for the machine to be run with one less man on the sorter. I know you are probably going to say it will be stopped all the time. I would say to that, there is always someone who will manage and work to the standard required.

[Tman]

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I know you are probably going to say it will be stopped all the time. I would say to that, there is always someone who will manage and work to the standard required.

Last night there was one Chinese casual running the CFC for a time, and she did it well too. It just goes to show that a) the job isn't hard to do well, despite the operators' claims to the contrary, IF you want to, and
b) L Tommo knows absolutely jack, when he claims operators MUST BE TPM TRAINED before they can run machines.

One day, RM will get it's act together regarding how machines are run, and realise that an idle machine is just wasted time and investment but until that happy time, there will be excess idling from both operators and the machine itself.

[lovejoy]

How the hell did this become one of the biggest threads on the site?

What a waste of bandwith

Jobsworths spring to mind!!

Get a grip. IMP's, LSMs, CFCs who cares. We should worry about supporting and backing each other not talking about how lazy IMP operators are!

As far as i'm concerned lazy people (a) create jobs and (b) are the 100% fault of bad management. End of story.

Like L Tommo says lets get back to the REAL problems in the postal industry

[Flashman]

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I know you are probably going to say it will be stopped all the time. I would say to that, there is always someone who will manage and work to the standard required.

Last night there was one Chinese casual running the CFC for a time, and she did it well too. It just goes to show that a) the job isn't hard to do well, despite the operators' claims to the contrary, IF you want to, and
b) L Tommo knows absolutely jack, when he claims operators MUST BE TPM TRAINED before they can run machines.

One day, RM will get it's act together regarding how machines are run, and realise that an idle machine is just wasted time and investment but until that happy time, there will be excess idling from both operators and the machine itself.

How utterly ridiculous. There should never be one person running a CFC for any length of time, as you are an engineer I am astounded that you did not intervene in someway and put a stop to this blatant and dangerous malpractice.

Never mind were they TPM TRAINED were they FORMALLY TRAINED.

Had an accident occurred to this poor casual I wonder if you would have been held responsible as you were in a position to put a stop to it.

And as a sideline, why did you mention the casual was Chinese, I can understand why you stated they were a casual .

[postal_jedi]

How the hell did this become one of the biggest threads on the site?

What a waste of bandwith

Jobsworths spring to mind!!

Get a grip. IMP's, LSMs, CFCs who cares. We should worry about supporting and backing each other not talking about how lazy IMP operators are!

As far as i'm concerned lazy people (a) create jobs and (b) are the 100% fault of bad management. End of story.

Like L Tommo says lets get back to the REAL problems in the postal industry

Lovejoy, you once more attack this thread because it is of no interest to you. It has become one of the biggest threads because its obviously a topic some people want to discuss. You may not, so you don't have to. This is the second time you have crcriticized this thread for no other reason then you aren't interested. How ignorant and inconsiderate can you get. The real problems in this industry will never be discussed properly or sensibly on this site, as there are too many people who just don't want to hear anything contrary to their way of thinking. This site is not just for you and CWU talk. As for lazy people, they cost jobs and you can't just blame management for everything, emm... end of story, what a pathetic way to discuss anything.

How utterly ridiculous. There should never be one person running a CFC for any length of time, as you are an engineer I am astounded that you did not intervene in someway and put a stop to this blatant and dangerous malpractice.

Never mind were they TPM TRAINED were they FORMALLY TRAINED.

Had an accident occurred to this poor casual I wonder if you would have been held responsible as you were in a position to put a stop to it.

And as a sideline, why did you mention the casual was Chinese, I can understand why you stated they were a casual .

Flashman, you are quite right, this is an example of the exploitation I am banging on about. This illustrates exactly the point I am trying to make. T Man, Flashman is right why didn't you intervene as you were clearly in a posistion to do so? You could have even refused to work with that machine, during faults, on the grounds it was being unsuitably monitored. There is really no excuse for allowing it to go on in front of you.

[lovejoy]

Postal Jedi if you want to discuss the real problems with the postal industry please do enlighten me because if sure if you dislodged your head from allan and adams backside even they wouldn't put the IMPs at the top of the list!!

[postal_jedi]

Postal Jedi if you want to discuss the real problems with the postal industry please do enlighten me because if sure if you dislodged your head from allan and adams backside even they wouldn't put the IMPs at the top of the list!!

I am not the one babbling on about 'REAL' problems. Obviously, you fail to realise that there may be people whom want to discuss.... em.... fake? problems with the postal industry. This is not a site that is called 'Royal Mail Chat only about what Lovejoy deems to be a REAL problems within the postal industry'. Get over yourself, Lovejoy, this site isn't just about you and what you want to chat about. You obviously can't stand the fact that a thread, you haven't started is getting more attention than you. I will reiterate, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ THIS THREAD, NOR DO YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT. If you want to chat about the 'REAL' issues in RM go ahead, this thread isn't stopping you. Honestly, it's not like any issue in RM will ever be resolved via this forum. Any thread that dares to speak contrary to the opinions of the handfull of bullies, on this site, just ends up in abuse. Lovejoy, you're doing nothing but showing the upmost disrespect for anyone who wishes to contribute to this thread. If you feel so strongly about this thread, go see Postman and ask him to lock it for you. I do think you will need more of a reason than you find it boring though.

[lovejoy]

Postal Jedi if you want to discuss the real problems with the postal industry please do enlighten me because if sure if you dislodged your head from allan and adams backside even they wouldn't put the IMPs at the top of the list!!

I am not the one babbling on about 'REAL' problems. Obviously, you fail to realise that there may be people whom want to discuss.... em.... fake? problems with the postal industry. This is not a site that is called 'Royal Mail Chat only about what Lovejoy deems to be a REAL problems within the postal industry'. Get over yourself, Lovejoy, this site isn't just about you and what you want to chat about. You obviously can't stand the fact that a thread, you haven't started is getting more attention than you. I will reiterate, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO READ THIS THREAD, NOR DO YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT. If you want to chat about the 'REAL' issues in RM go ahead, this thread isn't stopping you. Honestly, it's not like any issue in RM will ever be resolved via this forum. Any thread that dares to speak contrary to the opinions of the handfull of bullies, on this site, just ends up in abuse. Lovejoy, you're doing nothing but showing the upmost disrespect for anyone who wishes to contribute to this thread. If you feel so strongly about this thread, go see Postman and ask him to lock it for you. I do think you will need more of a reason than you find it boring though.

I love the quote 'a thread you haven't started is getting more attenntion than you' - from what i can see its two sad anoraks verbally pleasuring each other with a smattering of reasonably minded people wondering what the hell it is all about!

I wouldn't want the thread locked because you'd only have to discuss your feelings with your workmates and i just can't be that cruel to them!

[postal_jedi]

I love the quote 'a thread you haven't started is getting more attenntion than you' - from what i can see its two sad anoraks verbally pleasuring each other with a smattering of reasonably minded people wondering what the hell it is all about!

I wouldn't want the thread locked because you'd only have to discuss your feelings with your workmates and i just can't be that cruel to them!

Fair enough, Lovejoy. So what was the point of your first post then exactly?

[lovejoy]

I love the quote 'a thread you haven't started is getting more attenntion than you' - from what i can see its two sad anoraks verbally pleasuring each other with a smattering of reasonably minded people wondering what the hell it is all about!

I wouldn't want the thread locked because you'd only have to discuss your feelings with your workmates and i just can't be that cruel to them!

Fair enough, Lovejoy. So what was the point of your first post then exactly?

just thought maybe given the fact that the cost of running these sites is sky high maybe debates about how lazy people who operate machines are could be a little pointless?

But if you think otherwise just carry on......... at least you won't be banned like we were on your old favourite site

[postal_jedi]

I love the quote 'a thread you haven't started is getting more attenntion than you' - from what i can see its two sad anoraks verbally pleasuring each other with a smattering of reasonably minded people wondering what the hell it is all about!

I wouldn't want the thread locked because you'd only have to discuss your feelings with your workmates and i just can't be that cruel to them!

Fair enough, Lovejoy. So what was the point of your first post then exactly? I think you need to take a step back and realise this is just a forum. You may be a prolific poster, who puts up union information in advance, but it doesn't give you any right to disrespect other posters. Go look and see the countless pointless threads on it, from tips on how to keep mail dry to spare wheels. All you are doing is making yourself seem self important, your just a RM employee and site member like the rest of us. We're no more anoraks than than yourself.

This is the only site I frequent... again because I have posted contrary to what you agree with I am treat with contempt and it is assumed I am pro RM and RM management.

[Tman]

[Flashman, you are quite right, this is an example of the exploitation I am banging on about. This illustrates exactly the point I am trying to make. T Man, Flashman is right why didn't you intervene as you were clearly in a posistion to do so? You could have even refused to work with that machine, during faults, on the grounds it was being unsuitably monitored. There is really no excuse for allowing it to go on in front of you.

Actually, untrained/poorly trained operators is a particular bug-bear of mine, and has been for years. I have crossed swords with various managers over the years regarding this practice, and I now know the replies verbatim.
1 "They're all I've got, there is no-one else".
2 " they're happy to do it, I let 'em".
3 " Piss off, they're better than the regular crew".
I don't waste my breath any more, nor do I stick my head up over the parapet on issues that I can neither resolve or even improve, as there are people in the building more suitable than I and they can't be bothered.
"Refuse to work on machine"? Yeah sure. I'll risk suspension over an issue that the relevant parties themselves deem acceptable. Joan of Arc was burned 800 years ago, proof enough that martyrdom doesn't pay.
As for why describing her as Chinese, that's easy to explain. She is, and speaks very little English. Simple huh?

[lovejoy]

I love the quote 'a thread you haven't started is getting more attenntion than you' - from what i can see its two sad anoraks verbally pleasuring each other with a smattering of reasonably minded people wondering what the hell it is all about!

I wouldn't want the thread locked because you'd only have to discuss your feelings with your workmates and i just can't be that cruel to them!

Fair enough, Lovejoy. So what was the point of your first post then exactly? I think you need to take a step back and realise this is just a forum. You may be a prolific poster, who puts up union information in advance, but it doesn't give you any right to disrespect other posters. Go look and see the countless pointless threads on it, from tips on how to keep mail dry to spare wheels. All you are doing is making yourself seem self important, your just a RM employee and site member like the rest of us. We're no more anoraks than than yourself.

This is the only site I frequent... again because I have posted contrary to what you agree with I am treat with contempt and it is assumed I am pro RM and RM management.

I would say you are pro RM definately but never mentioned management! Have you got something to admit to us BOSS?

[postal_jedi]

just thought maybe given the fact that the cost of running these sites is sky high maybe debates about how lazy people who operate machines are could be a little pointless?

But if you think otherwise just carry on......... at least you won't be banned like we were on your old favourite site

I don't think it is upto you to decide Lovejoy. This is just so typical of the posters on this site. All you get is you're a manager, you're a jobsworth, you're a scab! I suppose any thread that doesn't concern the CWU or DOs is pointless.