Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[Flashman]

I think it sounds more to me like a national agreement as oppose to a H&S regualtion. I suppose though, I could add, the arguement that H&S dictates you don't use headphones on machinery or consume food or liquids on or near a machine, a rule I see regularly flouted.

A rule that is regularly flouted by shift managers and senior managers who work on the imps at the weekend during the pressure.

[postal_jedi]

But what i and i think others on here.. (Please tell me if im wrong?) Are saying is....

"WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT OR THE BARE FACED CHEEK TO COMMENT,MOAN, GRASS OR ANY OF THE PAST MENTIONED POINTS????? YOUR NOT A SCREW/MANAGER."

You say your a postie?? Then mind your own business and do your job.... Going back to my original post in reply to yours.....

Its feck all to do with you or any body else apart from a screw.... Its the MANAGEMENTS problem not yours or mine or ANY other workers problem .... UNLESS... Its a H&S issue....

I feel your Very pompous in your posts and attitude... .. oH I AINT YOUR GOOD MAN... Ok SONNY.....

What gives me the right? Well, I have as much right to comment on anything in a public forum as anyone else. My posts haven't been offensive, abusive, racist or sexist. I am not moaning nor have I ever grassed, I am simply commenting on something I believe to be wrong and that will effect us all eventually. Surely you can understand this, L Tommo, was it not you who posted

Im all for free speech.. Im all for equallity... Im for being honest and saying it how it is... If you or any other person dont agree with me i always ask for people to speak up... Im not here to make friends out of everyone... If you say things that i think are bullshite then i will tell ya... FREE SPEECH...

This is a RM chat site, it is here so we can chat about RM issues, whether you're a manager, staff or customer. This fact seems to be totally disregarded by most posters who feel that this forum is podium to blurt thier fury over Leighton and Crozier, and nothing else. What must customers who come to this site think of us, when the first thing they are greated with is a picture of Laurel and Hardy with are chairmans face superimposed on it. It's this constant refusal to discuss any topic, by certain posters, that lead us all to believe we were going to get an overwhelming rejection of the pay deal. Are you suggesting that I stop posting with regards to this topic, because some posters find it disagreeable? Would it not be a better idea for them to not bother reading it or commenting on it. Or, maybe, they could try to be a bit constructive and debate the topic?

Incidently, :lfo :cfo I've never quite understood this. If RM get rid of Leighton and Crozier, who do you all think they will be replaced by. Some Philanthropist who believes all RMs profits should be shared equally amongst the workforce? That we are all overworked and underpaid? Or perhaps, just maybe, some other Capitalist who knows we're all gonna trample on each other to line his/her pockets.

[postal_jedi]

With regards to hazard box checks, as it is the Xmas pressure and as happens on all Xmas pressures the Imp operator is not expected to carry out hazard box checks.

I can understand the reasoning behind it. Xmas pressure hasn't officially started though, I thought that was next week. Anyway, what I would say is that the staff I spoke to seemed to disregard this extra activity, full stop. Xmas pressure, I suppose, could be the reason for the reaction though.

A rule that is regularly flouted by shift managers and senior managers who work on the imps at the weekend during the pressure.

I don't work weekends in my MC so I can't say I've seen this. I would say though, you have no reason to lie about it. Shift managers should know better. I think, in my opinion, this is worse than an IMP operator doing it. Shift Managers are in a postition of responsibility and more than anyone else should be setting an example. I'm curious though, Flashman, have you ever seen a Shift Manager attack someone with a H&S object?

[DirtyHarry]

I bet you miss that rather insipid postmanshat site. You won't find too many people fawning over the gaggle of morons currently in positions of management, on here.

Come on, let your hair down, (apologies if you're bald), and vent your fury at the stunning incompetence displayed on an hourly basis by Royal Fail management, get it out of your system, call Leighton & Crozier cretins, it'll do you good. Works wonders for me.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Do the MCs have different dates for Christmas pressure as we are definitely getting the Christmas rush now this last week has been one of the busiest ever for me.

[postal_jedi]

Do the MCs have different dates for Christmas pressure as we are definitely getting the Christmas rush now this last week has been one of the busiest ever for me.

Yes we are to at my MC. I don't think the actual pressure, overtime etc.... comes into effect till next week though.

Ps Dirty Harry, I am not angry or fuming over anything. I don't know why this is constantly put to me. I do not show any anger or fury in my posts. I am simply commenting on something that I witnessed. To be honest I expected more of a informative debate.

[Night Tonic]

Ha!

[Flashman]

With regards to hazard box checks, as it is the Xmas pressure and as happens on all Xmas pressures the Imp operator is not expected to carry out hazard box checks.

I can understand the reasoning behind it. Xmas pressure hasn't officially started though, I thought that was next week. Anyway, what I would say is that the staff I spoke to seemed to disregard this extra activity, full stop. Xmas pressure, I suppose, could be the reason for the reaction though.?

Perhaps the reaction was all in your mind, maybe they were bemused by the fact that someone was taking such a keen interest in their job, when really you should have been concentrating on doing your own job to the best of your ability.

I'm curious though, Flashman, have you ever seen a Shift Manager attack someone with a H&S object?

No I haven't, but then again unlike you who stands all day watching the imp staff, I'm not standing for my full shift watching the shift manager, what he does or gets up to away from my gaze I am unable to comment on. So if you are trying to compare the behaviour of staff against a shift manager then it may be necessary for you to shadow a shift manager for the same amount of time to be able to get a clearer picture.
Unless of course you've already done this.

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, oh and always remember to press the blue stop button.

[postal_jedi]

The reaction was far from in my mind. I was chatting to two operators I consider friends and in my own time. The 'Hazard box' question was only mentioned in passing really and wasn't the reason for talking. I do concentrate on doing my own job to the best of my abilities. I am surprised you have taken this angle to voice your opinions, Flashman. I will again stipulate that I don't stand watching staff during my duty. What I observed would have been impossible to miss as it took place right in front of me, it was within my gaze. I am not trying to compare management with staff. After all, I am not the poster who brought Shift Managers into this debate. I think the comparison may lie with your comments. I am certainly not suggesting, for one moment, that anyone should shadow a manager in the hope you will catch them whipping a member of staff, with a High Visibility Jacket. Please, lets try not to take this debate to the extreme. I can't help wondering if you are trying to insinuate that I am of a management status, if so I am dissapointed by this.

[axeman]

lets be honest p.j managers don't need shadows they have already got plenty almost tripping over each other was at my local m.c the other day it was almost a joke you had managers comming in at 1:00 and three managers to. 4 posties till later in the afternoon. and all shifts are over subscribed with them
looks like the more they have on the 'acting' the less problems they will get in persuing there goal ?

[postal_jedi]

lets be honest p.j managers don't need shadows they have already got plenty almost tripping over each other was at my local m.c the other day it was almost a joke you had managers comming in at 1:00 and three managers to. 4 posties till later in the afternoon. and all shifts are over subscribed with them
looks like the more they have on the 'acting' the less problems they will get in persuing there goal ?

Axeman, it is not I who is suggesting we shadow managers. Far from it. I'm in agreement with you, there are far too many. I think if you take a look at the following posts you will see that it is 'Flashman' who, has not only brought managers into the topic but, suggested I shadow them:

I think it sounds more to me like a national agreement as oppose to a H&S regualtion. I suppose though, I could add, the arguement that H&S dictates you don't use headphones on machinery or consume food or liquids on or near a machine, a rule I see regularly flouted.

A rule that is regularly flouted by shift managers and senior managers who work on the imps at the weekend during the pressure.

No I haven't, but then again unlike you who stands all day watching the imp staff, I'm not standing for my full shift watching the shift manager, what he does or gets up to away from my gaze I am unable to comment on. So if you are trying to compare the behaviour of staff against a shift manager then it may be necessary for you to shadow a shift manager for the same amount of time to be able to get a clearer picture.
Unless of course you've already done this.

I know you are all used to having a go at me, but I'm innocent this time, honest!

[Flashman]

What I did jedi was make a comparison between the imp operators and senior and shift managers. The point being that if we are to tackle the problems which you talked about in your first post, then perhaps we ought to rectify the poor behaviour of those who should no better first. It is they who should set an example, and if they are lacking then unfortunately you can't blame the staff for following suit.

So from what you say, it appears it is ok for you to make an observation concerning imp operators but when I make an observation about senior/shift managers you seem to take offence at this.
Remember it was you who asked the question, 'have you ever seen a Shift Manager attack someone with a H&S object?' I merely made an observation.

[POSTMAN]

This is a very strange thread
Summin aint right here

[oldrope]

have you had a look other sections? ie opl/ipl/opf/ipf/opp/ipp it is not only the imps that do what you say thay do

[postal_jedi]

What I did jedi was make a comparison between the imp operators and senior and shift managers. The point being that if we are to tackle the problems which you talked about in your first post, then perhaps we ought to rectify the poor behaviour of those who should no better first. It is they who should set an example, and if they are lacking then unfortunately you can't blame the staff for following suit.

So from what you say, it appears it is ok for you to make an observation concerning imp operators but when I make an observation about senior/shift managers you seem to take offence at this.
Remember it was you who asked the question, 'have you ever seen a Shift Manager attack someone with a H&S object?' I merely made an observation.

No I haven't, but then again unlike you who stands all day watching the imp staff, I'm not standing for my full shift watching the shift manager, what he does or gets up to away from my gaze I am unable to comment on. So if you are trying to compare the behaviour of staff against a shift manager then it may be necessary for you to shadow a shift manager for the same amount of time to be able to get a clearer picture.
Unless of course you've already done this.

The comparison and introduction was all yours, Flashman.

Yes, Flashman, and I am in full agreement with you with regards to the standards managers need to set. It is atrocious the way some managers behave. I certainly don't take offence at you making comments with regards to Shift Managers. I would, however, say that if we are going to discuss the behaviour of Shift Managers we start a different thread, as this one is about IMP staff. I would be only to happy to contribute. I understand that you, yourself, have seen management operate IMPs and I certainly think this is the thread to address that. I can't see why a manager should expect to behave in this manner on an IMP and not the staff. I assume that this is what you're aiming at. I find it rather tiresome though, that the arguement is always taken back to managers. It seems regardless of what happens, somehow it is management to blame. I did ask the question about the H&S object, but I didn't bring management into the discussion, nor did I suggest shadowing management, which is what I was simply pointing out to 'Axeman'. I would also add, that it is the likes of Shift Managers who, don't regularly work on IMPs, will ultimately cut jobs from those sections. It's the staff on the IMPs who will suffer. This is in no way a justification for their behaviour, I am merely pointing out that as is usually the case, a position of authority is abused. I am not pro management, nor am I management. I state this as I have continuously been accused of it throughout this thread.