It's like that every Xmas now. They put experienced staff on jobs like facing and culling, and put casuals on sorting where they sort at about 25% (including missorts) of what a regular postperson would.star dust wrote:hello
been in on o/t today- 06:00/14:00, tipping ms2 bags, 6 of us all together with about 100 years service. Then there was 75 casuals on the opl/opf/and pkts. wots goin on????
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baldrick
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Re: wots going on
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pinkboxer
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Re: mc madness
get a life ya moaning git .
star dust wrote:hi all!!!! i wonder if all mc,s are like the one i work in?? for the life of me i can work out what is going on, the place is full of toy gaffers , one day they are on the floor the next they are a tie telling ppl off for not working then the next day back on the floor you never see them. then we have the dda lot, "ive got a bad back so i can not tip bag's" then on a Sunday @ £11 hour thay can tip for england!!!Then we have ppl walking round all night selling football cards and raffel tickits ect. wots going on??
kia
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norbet colon
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Re: mc madness
classic one was uniform on schedy sorting mailbagspinkboxer wrote:get a life ya moaning git .
star dust wrote:hi all!!!! i wonder if all mc,s are like the one i work in?? for the life of me i can work out what is going on, the place is full of toy gaffers , one day they are on the floor the next they are a tie telling ppl off for not working then the next day back on the floor you never see them. then we have the dda lot, "ive got a bad back so i can not tip bag's" then on a Sunday @ £11 hour thay can tip for england!!!Then we have ppl walking round all night selling football cards and raffel tickits ect. wots going on??
and casuals sorting what can be very badly addressed xmas cards but that's what RM do best , at least RM are consistent ??
there is institutionalised , tainted beyond redemption professonial malingerers and scivvers who wouldn't last five minutes outside or elsewhere but they'd have to have been through don't give ATOSS to get DDA , problem is everyone is tarred with the same brush by mgt & don't give a toss as RM can't sort the wheat from the chaff.
Many of the managers are instuitionalised beyond redemption , they tend to be very negative , don't give a s**t , everything is within a very narrow box as it's all they've known since Cadets . You just get mirrored cultures in these instuitions . It's a dumb culture that L&C have introduced and it's very easy for them to play.
There is a significant minority that want the hours but don't want the work, that's down to a poor culture , neopotisim , favourtisim & corruption , weak command & ignore badly trained management with little or no people skills .
You'll get people in the public sector that think 1 The world owes them 2 Job is there for their benefit so they decide what they should or shouldn't do , however "the new brave world"" solution" is too high handed , arbitary & mechanistic .
RM can be very "accomodating" towards certain people if there's any PC issues but that's that braindead regimented style of management , you've Uncle Leighton to thank for that .
You just end up with a bunch of neurotic old women that are frightened of their own shadow , they're not managers , they're just pawns in L&C's game . RM is good at one thing and that's sweeping s**t under the carpet in mail centres & DC's .
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cjhypersounds
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Re: wots going on
baldrick wrote:It's like that every Xmas now. They put experienced staff on jobs like facing and culling, and put casuals on sorting where they sort at about 25% (including missorts) of what a regular postperson would.star dust wrote:hello
been in on o/t today- 06:00/14:00, tipping ms2 bags, 6 of us all together with about 100 years service. Then there was 75 casuals on the opl/opf/and pkts. wots goin on????
Is it just me or am i sensing something unpleasant on how RM "oldies" are treating newbies???
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wee nippy sweetie
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Re: wots going on
Nope. Yer just hearing it like it is.cjhypersounds wrote:
Is it just me or am i sensing something unpleasant on how RM "oldies" are treating newbies???
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baldrick
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I wasn't having a go at 'newbies' mate. We were all new once.
But it does seem bad management to use untrained casuals to do work which could be done faster and more accurately by trained, experienced staff.
I don't understand the reasoning (if any) behind this, and it only seems to p*** off the regular staff - perhaps that's the reason for it. Personally it means that I for one will not do the Xmas SA/OT.
But it does seem bad management to use untrained casuals to do work which could be done faster and more accurately by trained, experienced staff.
I don't understand the reasoning (if any) behind this, and it only seems to p*** off the regular staff - perhaps that's the reason for it. Personally it means that I for one will not do the Xmas SA/OT.
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warlord
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Mail Centre madness.
I did some Sunday overtime in a M.C. a few months ago. What an experience!
Inefficient is the keyword here.
Two (there was probably more) managers on the floor looking clueless and bored tottered around in a confused stupor.
The flats sorters were mainly women with a productivity rate close to zero. Most of them spent more time smoking outside within a designated oudoor area and reading the Sunday papers at their frame.
When the shift managers did appear it was mainly to scratch their arses then disappear.
This shift was money for nothing. There was a lack of cohesion between sorters and a distinct aura of total disinterest and apathy.
During breaks (the official ones) most went to the pub & never returned.
The overtime dockets.... well, enough said!

Dead mans hand.
Inefficient is the keyword here.
Two (there was probably more) managers on the floor looking clueless and bored tottered around in a confused stupor.
The flats sorters were mainly women with a productivity rate close to zero. Most of them spent more time smoking outside within a designated oudoor area and reading the Sunday papers at their frame.
When the shift managers did appear it was mainly to scratch their arses then disappear.
This shift was money for nothing. There was a lack of cohesion between sorters and a distinct aura of total disinterest and apathy.
During breaks (the official ones) most went to the pub & never returned.
The overtime dockets.... well, enough said!

Dead mans hand.
There are lies, damn lies and Royal Mail statistics
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cjhypersounds
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sorry about that mate... i'm just starting and i don't want the feeling of being unwelcome in my MC. If efficiency is the only reason for letting casuals do the job during this season, i would agree with you that they should let more experienced staff do it; but i guess, we also have to think about continuity and the future. What happens if many of these people retire or go somewhere else?
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baldrick
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You will find that most of your fellow postal workers will be happy to help you out if you ask for advice - as I said we have all been there.cjhypersounds wrote:sorry about that mate... i'm just starting and i don't want the feeling of being unwelcome in my MC. If efficiency is the only reason for letting casuals do the job during this season, i would agree with you that they should let more experienced staff do it; but i guess, we also have to think about continuity and the future. What happens if many of these people retire or go somewhere else?
As for continuity and the future, well a lot of the old hands are retiring or leaving, and many of those who are left are hoping to do so. The problem is that they are not being replaced by full time staff, but by part-time staff who are given little or no training, and many of whom are only doing it until they can find a better job. This does not create a committed or efficient workforce, but rather the sort observed by Warlord (above).
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oldrope
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end of xmas pressure
just got in from a 12h shift 06;30. we got no tanoy to say have a merry xmas get your selves away or any thing, just 4 managers looking down at the IS at evryone walking out at 05;50. Still thats me done till thurs.