Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[postal_jedi]

I was merely surmising a problem as you had intimated the transfer wasn't voluntary. Because it wasn't voluntary then perhaps your judgement is a little bit jaundiced. I have never called a manager a screw in any of my posts but I would say your are atypical of the "angry young man", critical and defensive.

My transfer was a mutual compromise due to a medical condition. I am far from angry. I'm not being critical or defensive. I have posted on this site because I like the discussion and debate. Unfortunately, I have quickly realised that this is most unlikely to happen. This is mostly because of a handful of posters who dominate this site. If you fail to agree with their, highly extreme militant views, you are bullied abused and ridiculed until you final stop posting completely. My original post was intended to open up discussion on this subject. The thread has now been taken over by an argument, that is turning into name calling, on TPM training and you questioning my career history. I can honestly say the only posters in this thread, who have contributed to the actual topic, are: Flashman, Moon71, Biggins, Semacsorter and Tman.

I can only say that in 20 years I have never set foot inside an MC, an MC Gymnasium, an MC Shower room, an MC Canteen or any other facilities that are considered necessary for MC Staff that are totally alien to those of us used to working for a living.

Could you be implying that MC staff doesn’t work for a living? Hey, you just do what you’re supposed to do. Let everyone else do what they want!

PJ it is obvious you are concerned about your work but if these things are not your responsibility then just do what YOU are supposed to do and let others take care of what they are supposed to do.

Yes, I am concerned about my work. No, these things are not my responsibility. Yes, I am doing as I am supposed to. Yes, I am letting others take care of what they are supposed to. This still doesn't stop ME posting a thread to question the aforementioned behaviour! YOU don't have to read or contribute to it.

As ever LJ succinct and to the point I was trying to be nice about it, still that's me all heart. I might have used flying before the expletive though.

Again, you don't have to read or contribute to it.

Well that's a lesson learned today PJ, but don't take it to heart, let those who get paid for it show the initiative.

Who says we aren't paid to show initiative? I believe the more initiative we show the safer and more secure are jobs are. There is nothing wrong with showing initiative, it doesn't mean you're subservient or a willing horse. I've never said we should work for free, work faster or work harder. I just think we should be working while we are being paid to.

[BELIAL]

Who says we aren't paid to show initiative? I believe the more initiative we show the safer and more secure are jobs are. There is nothing wrong with showing initiative, i.

oh oh skywalker is doomed

[postal_jedi]

Who says we aren't paid to show initiative? I believe the more initiative we show the safer and more secure are jobs are. There is nothing wrong with showing initiative, i.

oh oh skywalker is doomed

Indeed Skywalker is doomed. Please take note of the red lightsaber in my avatar, the colour of the Sith. Come to the darkside! It's really sunny and petrol is cheap.

[BELIAL]

That was too easy

[oldrope]

PJ, when you were looking at the staff on the IMP.s doing what you say they were doing! was that evrey imp in you MC? and why were you not working? if you have time to look around the MC to see what other ppl are doing you can not be doing your job !! + how can you judge other ppl, doing their jobs when you have not done the job yourself.

[L Tommo]

PJ, when you were looking at the staff on the IMP.s doing what you say they were doing! was that evrey imp in you MC? and why were you not working? if you have time to look around the MC to see what other ppl are doing you can not be doing your job !! + how can you judge other ppl, doing their jobs when you have not done the job yourself.

Good point.... There are always people like this in a MC that are basically PRO PEOPLE WATCHERS.... Like Twitchers but with humans...

Sit there all day watching others while doing feck all themselves.... Then the first thing thay dont like and they jump up and moan...


MAKES ME SICK..


OUT

[postal_jedi]

PJ, when you were looking at the staff on the IMP.s doing what you say they were doing! was that every imp in you MC? and why were you not working? if you have time to look around the MC to see what other ppl are doing you can not be doing your job !! + how can you judge other ppl, doing their jobs when you have not done the job yourself.

Ha, Star dust, I thought I'd never hear from you again. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I was standing facing the IMP machine, I could see four IMPs, one in front with two beyond that and one behind, from my work area. I did notice behaviour on them all, but I will admit not as clearly as on the IMP in front of me. The IMP in front of me was right in my face, as it were. My task was to face up rejected letters on the IMP. It is not hard to look up and see someone eating, talking, etc... The staff on the IMP I was faced with were so prolific with their non-work activities that, just about every time I looked up, they were doing something, that wasn't work. I did not literally stand and stare for 4hrs at them. How pedantic would you like to get? It was hardly difficult to spot. It’s not like the staff were being subtle or quiet about it.

Good point.... There are always people like this in a MC that are basically PRO PEOPLE WATCHERS.... Like Twitchers but with humans...

Sit there all day watching others while doing feck all themselves.... Then the first thing thay dont like and they jump up and moan...


MAKES ME SICK..


OUT

L Tommo, perhaps there are many people like that in MCs. I however am not one. I don't claim to be the hardest worker in RM. I do, however, take pride in the fact that, I start and finish when I'm due to and, in between, I work. Yes, work! Not eat or drink coffee or stand talking. How you have made the jump from that, to me not doing the task assigned to me and doing feck all, beats me. Besides all that I was standing.

It increasingly seems to me that the staffs on the IMPs are unable to justify this, frankly unacceptable, behaviour. So the best thing to do in a situation like that is criticise the person who has pointed this out. Correct?

[dvbuk55]

so prolific with their non-work activities that, just about every time I looked up, they were doing something, that wasn't work. I did not literally stand and stare for 4hrs at them. How pedantic would you like to get? It was hardly difficult to spot. It’s not like the staff were being subtle or quiet about it.

It increasingly seems to me that the staffs on the IMPs are unable to justify this, frankly unacceptable, behaviour. So the best thing to do in a situation like that is criticise the person who has pointed this out. Correct?

Well if you were watching what you were doing there behaviour wouldn't have been so apparent and who do they need to justify their "unnaccceptable behaviour" to? YOU?

[postal_jedi]

Well if you were watching what you were doing there behaviour wouldn't have been so apparent and who do they need to justify their "unnaccceptable behaviour" to? YOU?

Firstly, as I have said, I was watching what I was doing. Their behaviour was so apparent because it was so blatant and right in front of me. I would have had to have worked with my eyes closed to miss it. Can you honestly say that while you are working you are unaware of your surroundings? As I have already stipulated I did not stand and stare at the IMP for four hours. This is no reason for what I saw, how long are we going to try and use this as an excuse.
Secondly, the justification is in relation to the debate. No the IMP staff don't have to justify themselves to me. I have never claimed that they should. The subject was opened using this forum, anyone who posts on this thread has made their own choice to discuss the matter. If for example, star dust doesn't want to justify the behaviour then he doesn't have to post, doing so. Star dust, however did post and was only too happy to boast about it. As Stardust has put my nickname at the start of each of his posts, I can only assume he has compsed them for me. This is besides the point. I would say, bearing this in mind, it's not much of debate or discussion if no one is going to try to post with regards to the topic. It's simple. Why is it that whenever someone posts something on this site, it turns personal. I simply posted my observations, people can choose to respond to them if they like or not. I don't think that IMP staff can justify all the non-work activities they do, it is my belief. I'm quite happy to listen to posters who believe IMP staff should be doing all these things instead of working. Thus a debate would be in full flow. There is really no need to get upset.

[mailsort6]

Working on a IMP or LSM is not a easy task, it may look as though people are not doing any work, but they surely are. Most people that are reserve mech operators hate doing a full duty or day on the IMPs or LSMs the reason being because some posties end-up with very bad pains in their legs, back ache and RSI. Some posties end-up in so much pain that they have to be taken off the IMPs or LSM and put onto a manual duty. I hear posties complaining about the IMPs and LSMs operators, why don't they give it a go themselves and see how they like it because it can be very heavy work, sometimes you find yourself not being able to walk properly after a full days work because you have been on your feet all day.

[dvbuk55]

I simply posted my observations, people can choose to respond to them if they like or not. I don't think that IMP staff can justify all the non-work activities they do, it is my belief. I'm quite happy to listen to posters who believe IMP staff should be doing all these things instead of working. Thus a debate would be in full flow. There is really no need to get upset.

I don't get upset over work PJ, frankly I don't give a damn, to coin a well worn phrase. You see you say they don't have to justify themselves to you but in the very next post look at the highlights. I have no qualms about people posting what they have seen or heard in a dispassionate manner but TBH you have gone a little bit overboard for someone who has been compulsorily transferred to an MC. No one is suggesting they should be doing this but it is a matter for their line manager to correct. Weak management produces poor work practices and that is NOT the fault of the workforce, but once these practices are part and parcel then it is a case of monkey see, monkey do.

[postal_jedi]

I don't get upset over work PJ, frankly I don't give a damn, to coin a well worn phrase. You see you say they don't have to justify themselves to you but in the very next post look at the highlights. I have no qualms about people posting what they have seen or heard in a dispassionate manner but TBH you have gone a little bit overboard for someone who has been compulsorily transferred to an MC. No one is suggesting they should be doing this but it is a matter for their line manager to correct. Weak management produces poor work practices and that is NOT the fault of the workforce, but once these practices are part and parcel then it is a case of monkey see, monkey do.

I still haven't said they should justify themselves to me. I am saying I don't believe they can, read what is written not what you want to believe. Again we are back to me and my transfer. It was not compulsary, it was a compromise. I was given a choice of jobs and I opted for the MC. Now will you please leave my personal work life out of this. Again, you bring the discussion back to your, frankly abnormal, obsession with managers. We as staff are responsibly for our own actions, not a manager. Most staff know they shouldn't be talking or eating when they are supposed to be working. Take some responsibility man, you can't blame everything on managers all the time.

Mailsort6, your arguement is compelling but still I see no reason for the unacceptable behaviour I saw. I am not disputing the fact it may be a hard job. I have never said in any of my posts that it is easy work. Although you could ask dvbuk, he works for a living unlike MC staff. I am disputing that the behaviour I saw. I believe it was unacceptable and there is no excuse for it. I pretty much think that just about any job in RM leaves you with aches and pains, wether your delivering, sorting, tipping, handstamping or bag tying. It is all heavy repetitive work and as yet I have to witness what I saw on the IMPs on any other section. My main concern with regards to this topic is that this behaviour will ultimately lead to the removal of jobs in the MC.

[dvbuk55]

In fairness to you PJ over the years I have heard many complaints about "what goes on at the MC" and indeed we have had MC staff working at our DO who have blanched at the amount of and the speed at which work has to be carried out. I have never worked or even seen inside an MC nor have I ever had the inclination to do so. I would rather be busy because the time goes more quickly but that is my choice others have other inclinations but that is their choice. Your own work ethic tells you to work to your best ability, and most people have that, for those who haven't then it is up to a manager to uphold the work ethic and not other workers.

Why not transfer back to a DO?

[postal_jedi]

Why not transfer back to a DO?

Although that is an option for me, I find internal employment, more suitible for rather personal reasons. The DOs in my area are unable to accomodate to that degree. It's basically deliveries, by foot or van. I think this would certainly accentuate my condition at present and for the foreseeable future. Don't get me wrong here, I don't have a problem with working in MC. In fact I don't actually have a problem with the IMPs. My original post was to express that, surely, the IMP staff can see the damage they are doing to jobs in RM, and why they think it is an acceptible part of the job.

[axeman]

perhaps we could get rid of the cleaners and give them a brush ? do you work flat out all the time ? i guess not so don't force your work ethics onto others we all do things our own way