armani wrote:You have quite a chip on the shoulder don't you.
Yes. I'm very proud to say I do. Now, gettingh back to my question to you, have you stood on the picket line yet?
Indeed I have.
The first one i did was a few yrs ago when they wanted to extend xmas to 4pm
Now as I have answered yours. Please find the coutesy to do likewise with mine.
Which particular question did you have in mind (if that isnt stretching things a bit too far)? The one where you want to know what I'm fighting for? The one where you want to know why we can't all live together? The one where you want to know what we need? Frankly mate, you're full of questions and so far, that's not the only thing you are full of.
ohh touchy.
These ones
What do we need????
Confidence in what we are doing?
Capability in how to do it???
Managers to support instead of dictate????
pistol wrote:There's nothing at all wrong with offering the public good services,but at what cost,as i'm led to believe an application has already been made to further increase the cost of a second class stamp,If we as a business are privatised as is the general belief,this cost will spiral..as will the cost of other services you provide over the counter,(do you really believe TNT want to sell joe public travel insurance?) If Leighton,Crozier,Brown and co get their way,TNT or DHL will be setting the cost of mail services in this country and you guys will be selling thier wares from a counter in Whsmith's adding their own mark up to it..Remind me again how these changes benefit the public???
Obviously moving to WH Smith with any more than we are alread y will be a massive blow to POL. Partly the reason I came on here to see the general overview of colleagues.
Remember TNT and co will need to offset the cost of a massive increase of depots, vehicles hubs just to catch up with RM. The unfortunate thing is, people will go to work with these outfits for £5.40 to do the same work as RM. Unfortunately we are helping that happen through strike action as companies (DWP) will and are already shifting across.
Infact, I received a letter from a TNT Courier a few weeks ago from CWU, now wasnt one of their points to save the future of our postal industry. So why the move to TNT?
YOU received a letter from TNT from the CWU .I have never yet seen TNT deliver a letter the final mile.There bread and butter is packets.
Infact, even our despatch postie who was there at the time was a bit unhappy, shall I say, When I opened it up. Especially when it had points on maintaining the future of our postal business.
Anyway Im not here for RM Stuff, just to gain knowledge on my questions.
Not really. I just don't like Quislings. It's a reasonable reaction for those of us brought up with a sense of dignity.
armani wrote:These ones
What do we need????
I know what you need, but I doubt you would agree. What does POL need? Collectivisation. Control by workers and customers.
armani wrote:Confidence in what we are doing?
There's that 'we' again! No, I have no confidence in what you are doing.
armani wrote:Capability in how to do it?
Judging by the results you lot have come up with so far, I have complete confidence in your ability to continue to cock the job up for as many people as possible on the least amount of cash possible.
armani wrote:Managers to support instead of dictate????
A leopard cannot change it's spots. I would support managers though. About fifteen feet of rope and a strudy tree should do the job quite nicely.
I hope that answers your questions Tory Boy.
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
in the words of 'zz top' what a 'sharped dressed man' shame he doesn't think that any of us do any work on this side of the fence at least thats how i see his reasoning 'armani' old chum seems your slightly misguided in you observations you as a "c.o" 'worker'you
do the easy bit the rest is done by i think you know the answer to that bit 'yes' . it's not the postmans job to create more revenue we i think do have people in place to do just that as to wether they just sit at a desk and do nothing is your guess (i know of managers who do absolutely nothing and i kid you not they do '0' hardest thing they do is turn up for work) now it seems to me you need some answers your best bid is when 'hellmail' goes live again just add your bits on there as it's run by royal mail and will doubtless answer yours as they are of management concerns not ours
of course you can always go over to tnt and work for £5 ph if you feel so insecure about your future in royal mail, and for your information a trades person earns a tad more than we do as posties , and i know belive me as an apprenticed tradesman who does a little extra if you know what i mean
Axeman, not at all. RM have really turned themselves around in the last couple of years. I just wasn't wanting RM/PF chipping in with comments, thats all.
However it seems thats all thats happened from across the board.
I came on to ask what stops us with getting with what we are paid to do. We are not paid to discuss the future direction, previous mistakes, business policies. We are (at POL), as clerks serving the public, paid to offer a service. 1 part of that is to introduce products and services provided by P.O. and some others to help increase the revenue lost through the loss of other business.
Just as any other successful business has done. Look at any other major business over the last 5-10yrs, you will see that most have introduced other avenues of income.
However some RM GROUP employees seem to think its a god given right to expect more and more each year without putting more in. We need to get around the fact we were shafted by the Govt. over the years and they are not looking to keep us funded. Therefore we need to establish other avenues of income.
Armani wrote
"However some RM GROUP employees seem to think its a god given right to expect more and more each year without putting more in. We need to get around the fact we were shafted by the Govt. over the years and they are not looking to keep us funded. Therefore we need to establish other avenues of income."
Are you a total twat or are there more bits to be added yet? Our story is one of regular and methodical reduction in rights and increase in workloads to provide the profit that subsidises idiots like you. When you can spare the time to get out from behind your cosy little counter and feel 120 kilos of mail a day digging into your back while you walk around in the rain with the prospect of your wages being reduced by stealth and your business destroyed by people with no experience of public service, then I will put up with your naive and inexperienced twaddle. We are worlds apart in most of our experiences of the business we work for - but as someone with almost 30 years of retail experience and most of that in management before becoming a postie, I can tell you - I would rather employ people with fire in their belly than the "ooh yes let's do that" brigade that appears to have formed your opinions.
You work for a public service that is in decline because it's overseers have decided that that is the way it will be. No amount of cooperation or compliance will avoid the decline that has been planned - only resistance to change for the sake of change will delay it and only complete inclusion of unions and the public will save it.
Your comment about the Govt not looking to keep us funded is nearest the mark - in a few years you will not even be working for the business as it is now and you will not have a union to protect any rights that you will have lost in the meantime unless you join USDAW whose record in such things doesn't exactly sparkle (Do W.H.SMITH recognise USDAW?)
You entered the arena - you cannot choose who you speak to, or who speaks to you - so live with it.
p.s. Have fun with your secret shoppers, league tables and all the other little things that make your day exciting and before going back to work on monday ask yourself - does my childish enthusiasm make a blind bit of difference?
rhino49 wrote:Armani wrote
"However some RM GROUP employees seem to think its a god given right to expect more and more each year without putting more in. We need to get around the fact we were shafted by the Govt. over the years and they are not looking to keep us funded. Therefore we need to establish other avenues of income."
Are you a total twat or are there more bits to be added yet? Our story is one of regular and methodical reduction in rights and increase in workloads to provide the profit that subsidises idiots like you. When you can spare the time to get out from behind your cosy little counter and feel 120 kilos of mail a day digging into your back while you walk around in the rain with the prospect of your wages being reduced by stealth and your business destroyed by people with no experience of public service, then I will put up with your naive and inexperienced twaddle. We are worlds apart in most of our experiences of the business we work for - but as someone with almost 30 years of retail experience and most of that in management before becoming a postie, I can tell you - I would rather employ people with fire in their belly than the "ooh yes let's do that" brigade that appears to have formed your opinions.
You work for a public service that is in decline because it's overseers have decided that that is the way it will be. No amount of cooperation or compliance will avoid the decline that has been planned - only resistance to change for the sake of change will delay it and only complete inclusion of unions and the public will save it.
Your comment about the Govt not looking to keep us funded is nearest the mark - in a few years you will not even be working for the business as it is now and you will not have a union to protect any rights that you will have lost in the meantime unless you join USDAW whose record in such things doesn't exactly sparkle (Do W.H.SMITH recognise USDAW?)
You entered the arena - you cannot choose who you speak to, or who speaks to you - so live with it.
p.s. Have fun with your secret shoppers, league tables and all the other little things that make your day exciting and before going back to work on monday ask yourself - does my childish enthusiasm make a blind bit of difference?
Superb! You're a tonic my Manc mate! You've got little Gordon Gekko here bang to rights!
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
armani did you read the post or just a cursory meander ? we 'posties' do our bit it's royal mails job to introduce more products / services we unfortunatley don't have the time to sell stamps and insurance whilst out on a walk dare say you haven't got the time to nip out and deliver any mail either ? as iv'e said we do the work we are paid for if you want extra work for nowt then forget it .
now your quite welcome to give up your free time to 'help' out royal mail thats if your willing to do it for nowt me iv'e no intention going, over my time, running around, working o/t
and yes as the rate of inflation goes ever more upwards then it's right that pay should reflect that if of course you wish us to take a pay cut then my sugestion is for you to aim that at the two stooges we have first .and please tell him at no 11 or perhaps the p.m as it was his job 6mths ago
Armani, the main reason we have not moved forward in the last 3-4 years is simply because a majority of people who work behind the counter are frightened of change, and even when some people in their offices begin to do the job they are paid to do they deride and ridicule them. I think it was Axeman who referred to people doing the job they are paid to do. How many long serving Po's can hand on heart say they are doing the job that they are paid to do? I would suggest that the answer is not many. The truth is that anyone with more than a couple of years experience thinks they know better than the people who run the company, and that is backed up by some of the replies on here. There is no doubting that people at the counter work hard, but do they do the job they are being paid to do? Again I say no. Who decides what the PO's job is? Is it the PO's themselves? Is it the CWU? No - the bottom line is that Post Office Limited pay the wages, so they decide. Can you imagine working for a company in the High Street and saying to your boss, I'm awfully sorry I won't be doing the job you have asked me to today because I feel that you have made a mess of running this business over the last few years, and even though I haven't actually asked any of them yet I don't think that any of our customers want what you want me to sell anyway, so if it is all the same to you I want to just do what we did 20 years ago, despite the fact that the whole world has moved on in that time. You can imagine what the reply would be - about as unprintable as some of the replies I expect I will provoke with this screed!
This company is not perfect, but effective change will not be made by insulting managers and refusing to do the job that you are paid to do. I can't believe some of the vitriol displayed on this forum towards people who actually seem to want to work for the business. If people hate their jobs so much perhaps it is time to find a new one. But that will never happen will it? Because no long serving member of staff will leave without a pay-off. No-one ever says 'Look this isn't for me I'm off' everyone sits on their hands waiting for their bag of money, because they know that they won't get the same wages anywhere else for the amount of work they do. That is evidenced by the number of people who take redundancy from the counter and then try to come back a few years later because the money has run out and the job they took didn't pay what we do.
In answer to your questions Armani, virtually everyone in my office has the capability to do the job I ask them to do, but how many are actually willing to do it? The answer to that is a much smaller number. With regard to managers who dictate rather than support, to be honest if you get to the stage that you are dictating then you have lost it, and it will take a big effort to regain the trust and support of your team. The question about confidence would bring different answers depending on who you talk to, but in general to have confidence in what you are doing you have to believe in it. I believe in what I am trying to do, and I believe in my team, they don't all believe there is any point in what the business is doing so whatever they do is doomed to fail because without belief you will not get the confidence to succeed. Ultimately if you have the belief in what you do, the confidence will come with practice, and practice is one of the things that most counter clerks will shy away from.
Other than that I take my hat off to you Armani for standing up and saying what you believe.
If people hate their jobs so much perhaps it is time to find a new one. But that will never happen will it? Because no long serving member of staff will leave without a pay-off.
What a if someone could get their ideal job do you really think they would work for RM. Most of us only do it for the money.
Must be a manager
I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
Armani/bigjames,the guys answering are Posties,and fair enough this part of the board is for POL.
RM Management on our side are SCUM,you may think i'm being childish with that comment but as you look through the board on our side it's mentioned 000's of times.
And perhaps i may sound out of line,but you 2 seem of similar vein.(Welcome to prove us wrong on here)
It seems to me that this is the case across the whole of the RM group.
You (James)have made the fatal mistake that any Manager can do and that is you have said"If people hate their jobs so much perhaps it is time to find a new one"
And Armani mentioned summin about we or rather POL staff just want to take our cash.
2 very pathetic comments,whether you're Management or not .
The morale in the business across the whole RM group is at it's lowest than i'm sure it's ever been,so Managments ideas are to screw us with whatever s**t is being thrown at us and our colleagues across the group.
The Posties as you are probably aware have now taken out OUR goodwill in the job and parts of the country are on their knees because of it.
I hope the POL guys do it as well,and why shouldn't they,why should we bend over backwards for a company that is screwing us right left and center.
We've worked our nuts off for this business in times gone by and saved them 100's of millions,and now we're getting stabbed in the back.
As you know i sent out flyers to the Smiths 70 and the response is not too good,but the chances are if the clerks came on here i'm guessing you'd get the same response that we're giving.
Maube us Posties don't fully understand what goes on day to day at CO's,but i'm sure we can guess.
After all Management in RM Group seem to be cut from the same cloth!
Smilies of the day: :lfo :cfo
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
Amen to BH,there you go,one of yours,guess i was right.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
. it's not the postmans job to create more revenue we i think do have people in place to do just that as to wether they just sit at a desk and do nothing is your guess (i know of managers who do absolutely nothing and i kid you not they do '0' hardest thing they do is turn up for work) now it seems to me you need some answers your best bid is when 'hellmail' goes live again just add your bits on there as it's run by royal mail and will doubtless answer yours as they are of management concerns not ours 
if someone could get their ideal job do you really think they would work for RM. Most of us only do it for the money. 
