Why can't we...

armani · Post by **armani** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:09

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:I'm amazed at how we as a company haven't moved on in the last 3-4 yrs.

OK I'll expand for the ones that don't understand and can only reply via smilies.

We --- meaning the people that work for POL

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:34

armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:I'm amazed at how we as a company haven't moved on in the last 3-4 yrs.

OK I'll expand for the ones that don't understand and can only reply via smilies.

We --- meaning the people that work for POL

I understand management lackeys like you only too well. I understand your game. If you check back over my messages on here you will see that I'm quite capable of replying to stooges like you with much more than emoticons. When the likes of you refer to 'we' you infer that everyone working for the group is on the same side. We're not! It took no time at all for several of us to come to the same conclusion that you are not one of us. Why do you suppose that is? It's because we've all been around long enough to suss you lot out. My suggestion to you, and those like you, is to go away and read something more than The Courier. Try to rise above yourself. That way, you might reach the obvious conclusion that there are two sides to this current dispute. Us, and you.

axeman · Post by **axeman** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:37

armani ,,,,,,whats up got an itchy finger now that hell*ails down you do remind me of someone else ??????

you embrace whatever you want but leave the posties do it there way

Post by **POSTMAN** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:38

armani your posts are confuseing me you say 1 thing then another

We have a few POL guys registered but them seem to have disappeared,when they surface i'm sure they will answer in this thread.

I like B O by the way (Branch Office)

armani · Post by **armani** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:45

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:I'm amazed at how we as a company haven't moved on in the last 3-4 yrs.

OK I'll expand for the ones that don't understand and can only reply via smilies.

We --- meaning the people that work for POL

I understand management lackeys like you only too well. I understand your game. If you check back over my messages on here you will see that I'm quite capable of replying to stooges like you with much more than emoticons. When the likes of you refer to 'we' you infer that everyone working for the group is on the same side. We're not! It took no time at all for several of us to come to the same conclusion that you are not one of us. Why do you suppose that is? It's because we've all been around long enough to suss you lot out. My suggestion to you, and those like you, is to go away and read something more than The Courier. Try to rise above yourself. That way, you might reach the obvious conclusion that there are two sides to this current dispute. Us, and you.

IWW, management lackeys? I said previously I am not a manager. I am an employee of POL and a paid up member of the CWU.

What I am looking for is some answers to my original posts on here.

Please do not resort to personal attacks. It only drags you down and makes you look weak.
The reason I am asking about all this is we are all adults and are able to make choices through life.
One we all need to face and make is,...

Am I happy going forward in this company or am I better off out.

No point in staying to try and defeat the good work some put in.

Thats why I would like to know whats the main problem, is it our line managers becoming personal and demanding you achieve XYZ or is it one of the previous things I have posted.

Once again, I am not a Manager, please dont think that because I enjoy my job I need to be ''one of them'' afterall isn't that what we are fighting against (bullying and harrassment)

armani · Post by **armani** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:46

POSTMAN wrote:armani your posts are confuseing me you say 1 thing then another

Can you elaborate a little please.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:46

Why cant we all just love each other

pistol · Post by **pistol** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:48

I SO didn't want to reply to this guy... however since he's now facing the RMC guillotine i'll say my piece..Armani..you have come on to a strict and militant pro union forum and asked us to go against beliefs which have seen us out on picket lines up and down the country for weeks,I have spoken to many POL staff who feel as strongly about this dispute as we do..your'e opening thread was "pro management" to say the least and as such was always going to be berated on here.you go on about how you want to work for the people and how it's great to be able to help them with the services you provide and yet..those and every other public service we as a whole provide is under threat,i wonder if as a CWU member you actually picketted on strike days because if you don't mind me saying so your words stink of Scab.i wonder also if you will enjoy your job and helping the public etc etc when you are working for WHsmith's? Will that be the satisfaction you so long for???

Post by **rhino49** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:48

BELIAL wrote:Why cant we all just love each other

Yippeeeeeeee a hippeeeeeeee - peace and love brother Belial

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:54

armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:I'm amazed at how we as a company haven't moved on in the last 3-4 yrs.

OK I'll expand for the ones that don't understand and can only reply via smilies.

We --- meaning the people that work for POL

I understand management lackeys like you only too well. I understand your game. If you check back over my messages on here you will see that I'm quite capable of replying to stooges like you with much more than emoticons. When the likes of you refer to 'we' you infer that everyone working for the group is on the same side. We're not! It took no time at all for several of us to come to the same conclusion that you are not one of us. Why do you suppose that is? It's because we've all been around long enough to suss you lot out. My suggestion to you, and those like you, is to go away and read something more than The Courier. Try to rise above yourself. That way, you might reach the obvious conclusion that there are two sides to this current dispute. Us, and you.
IWW, management lackeys? I said previously I am not a manager. I am an employee of POL and a paid up member of the CWU.

What I am looking for is some answers to my original posts on here.

Please do not resort to personal attacks. It only drags you down and makes you look weak.
The reason I am asking about all this is we are all adults and are able to make choices through life.
One we all need to face and make is,...

Am I happy going forward in this company or am I better off out.

No point in staying to try and defeat the good work some put in.

Thats why I would like to know whats the main problem, is it our line managers becoming personal and demanding you achieve XYZ or is it one of the previous things I have posted.

Once again, I am not a Manager, please dont think that because I enjoy my job I need to be ''one of them'' afterall isn't that what we are fighting against (bullying and harrassment)

I know perfectly well what I'm fighting for and I'm very well aware that you are fighting for something completely different. If anyone is weak on here, it's you. The idea that you thought you could come on here masquerading as a CWU member and imagine you could have us fooled is laughable. Are you happy going forward with this company? Well, if you consider the erosion in working conditions and pay we have all been subjected to in recent years as 'going forward' then I expect you are. As I said earlier, you've been sussed.

armani · Post by **armani** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:56

pistol wrote:I SO didn't want to reply to this guy... however since he's now facing the RMC guillotine i'll say my piece..Armani..you have come on to a strict and militant pro union forum and asked us to go against beliefs which have seen us out on picket lines up and down the country for weeks,I have spoken to many POL staff who feel as strongly about this dispute as we do..your'e opening thread was "pro management" to say the least and as such was always going to be berated on here.you go on about how you want to work for the people and how it's great to be able to help them with the services you provide and yet..those and every other public service we as a whole provide is under threat,i wonder if as a CWU member you actually picketted on strike days because if you don't mind me saying so your words stink of Scab.i wonder also if you will enjoy your job and helping the public etc etc when you are working for WHsmith's? Will that be the satisfaction you so long for???

Pistol. I wouldn't say pro management.

Ive not been with the business for 20yrs plus so I dont come from a background of being stuck to the one thing (nor am i saying anyone on here is)
However, what I am getting at is. As has already been said about Govt. and what they did over the years PLUS the removal of main benefit work, DVLA etc.

Isn't it best that we make income from what we can?

We've had years of pretty good pay and conditions and in return we've mostly had to make sure customers were served in 5mins and that we balanced. That was the main criteria. Unfortunately thats been removed and we need to maintain income .
Whats the big bad thing with offering good products to customers

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:58

armani wrote:We've had years of pretty good pay and conditions

Yes. Well sussed! Don't slam the door on the way out.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 17 Aug 2007, 23:59

Maybe armani's been off sick for four years. Loads of catching up to do bro. The rest of us are on a one track helter skelter to the Dark Ages,sorry modernisation. "bubonic plague -f**k off ,stage one;lepresy-pull the other one-oh sorry"

armani · Post by **armani** » 18 Aug 2007, 00:01

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:I'm amazed at how we as a company haven't moved on in the last 3-4 yrs.

OK I'll expand for the ones that don't understand and can only reply via smilies.

We --- meaning the people that work for POL

I understand management lackeys like you only too well. I understand your game. If you check back over my messages on here you will see that I'm quite capable of replying to stooges like you with much more than emoticons. When the likes of you refer to 'we' you infer that everyone working for the group is on the same side. We're not! It took no time at all for several of us to come to the same conclusion that you are not one of us. Why do you suppose that is? It's because we've all been around long enough to suss you lot out. My suggestion to you, and those like you, is to go away and read something more than The Courier. Try to rise above yourself. That way, you might reach the obvious conclusion that there are two sides to this current dispute. Us, and you.
IWW, management lackeys? I said previously I am not a manager. I am an employee of POL and a paid up member of the CWU.

What I am looking for is some answers to my original posts on here.

Please do not resort to personal attacks. It only drags you down and makes you look weak.
The reason I am asking about all this is we are all adults and are able to make choices through life.
One we all need to face and make is,...

Am I happy going forward in this company or am I better off out.

No point in staying to try and defeat the good work some put in.

Thats why I would like to know whats the main problem, is it our line managers becoming personal and demanding you achieve XYZ or is it one of the previous things I have posted.

Once again, I am not a Manager, please dont think that because I enjoy my job I need to be ''one of them'' afterall isn't that what we are fighting against (bullying and harrassment)
I know perfectly well what I'm fighting for and I'm very well aware that you are fighting for something completely different. If anyone is weak on here, it's you. The idea that you thought you could come on here masquerading as a CWU member and imagine you could have us fooled is laughable. Are you happy going forward with this company? Well, if you consider the erosion in working conditions and pay we have all been subjected to in recent years as 'going forward' then I expect you are. As I said earlier, you've been sussed.

Trust me, how do I need to spell it out. I AM a C W U MEMBER. Is that through YET???

OK what are you fighting for?

Lets see, decent pay and decent pension??

If we were working in a private company, how would we secure the above 2 statements?

By maintaining good income? YES

Then why haven't we been doing it over the last 3-4 yrs?

Only now that its become obvious the Business is heading right up the canal with no paddle do we want to fight against them for what we expect

armani · Post by **armani** » 18 Aug 2007, 00:04

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
armani wrote:We've had years of pretty good pay and conditions
Yes. Well sussed! Don't slam the door on the way out.

Have we not?

I know time served tradesmen that get less than us. Service men/women in Iraq/Afgan coming home in boxes for less than we get. And all were asked is to talk to our customers and we can't even do that.

Why is it so hard to do.

Please do not take that as anything personal. I am genuinely interested in knowing the reasons we dont do what is asked when we are at our place of work.

Please, for people that are POL employed. NOT RM/PF.

What do we need????

Confidence in what we are doing?
Capability in how to do it???
Managers to support instead of dictate????