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Royal Mail suspends 11 posties for having cups of tea in pub on their break

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Royal Mail suspends 11 posties for having cups of tea in pub on their break

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... s-27493630

The Royal Mail has apologised after people have faced delays and missed mail for weeks

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Eleven postal workers in Wirral were reportedly suspended from their jobs for having a cup of tea at a local pub in a move that has caused major disruption to postal services.

It is understood three of the postal workers - based at the Prenton Delivery Office - have now been reinstated, but the controversial action has led to major disruption to postal services in the Oxton and Prenton area on the Wirral.

Some residents have been reportedly receiving their post more than a week late with one Oxton local saying they had missed two hospital appointments due to mail not being delivered.

Following complaints from local residents, local politicians including Birkenhead’s MP Mick Whitley have slammed Royal Mail management for their handling of the situation. The company declined to comment on internal affairs but apologised to those experiencing delays.

The suspension action was reportedly taken after postal workers were found to have been taking their work breaks at the Caernarvon Castle pub in Prenton though regular Ian Harris said he only ever saw them drinking tea and coffee there.

Mr Harris said the posties were given a pot of coffee and a pot of tea and allowed to use the toilet facilities and “freshen up,” adding: “There wasn’t any alcohol whatsoever used and we the regulars liked to see them."

Mick Whitley, MP for Birkenhead, said he was told by the Communication Workers Union (CWU) that 11 postal workers had been suspended but three had now been reinstated. He said the hearings for the remaining eight had taken place and they are awaiting an outcome.

He said: “I wrote to the local management on July 20 and requested a response to my concerns and clarity on what steps they were taking to improve both industrial relations and delivery services. As of today they haven’t replied.”

He added: “The union stressed they were open to discussions with management to resolve the disciplinary issues and I strongly urge the management to engage constructively with the CWU as the only way to restore normal service and improve industrial relations.

“However, I would urge the CWU to be vigilant as the management across Royal Mail have a very recent record of attacking the terms and conditions of its staff and provoking disputes.”

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Councillor Stuart Kelly outside Prenton Delivery Office where services have been disrupted by the suspensions (Image: Andrew Teebay Liverpool Echo)

Oxton councillor Stuart Kelly said: “These suspensions have meant that existing staff are unable to cope with delivering the postal service from the Prenton depot resulting in many Oxton residents receiving important letters, including hospital appointments, late or not at all.”

“The information I have is that postmen and women get a 40-minute break during the day which they took in the Caernarvon Castle and later the Swan. They could use the car park in the day to park up and sit and have a cup of tea together.”

He said he was told new management didn’t like this and therefore suspended staff. Cllr Kelly added: “This sort of macho management from Royal Mail is unacceptable. These workers work hard in all weathers to deliver the post, they are entitled to a cup of tea and a break. I have been in contact with the Royal Mail head office for an explanation, so far without response.”

“Whatever their internal management problems, people in Oxton and Prenton want a proper post service and it is essential that Royal Mail focus on providing that.”

Local people have been experiencing delays with their mail as a result of the suspensions.

Kevin Donovan, 77 from Birkenhead, said he first noticed there was an issue after his post had been irregular for several weeks, adding: “I am waiting for a health examination and worry that the appointment letter is in a mountain of undelivered mail in Prenton.”

A Royal Mail spokesperson said: “We are sorry to residents who have experienced delays. Improving quality of service is our top priority and we are committed to restoring service levels to where our customers expect them to be.

“Efforts at the local delivery office are ongoing to improve this level of service. This includes additional recruitment and the addition of agency staff. Mail continues to be delivered, and anyone who has mail and does not receive it on the day they expect will always be prioritised the following day.

“Across our business we have plans in place to drive service levels. We hope and expect to see further progress in the coming months.”

The CWU declined to comment. The Swan and Caernarvon Castle were also approached for comment.
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Re: Royal Mail suspends 11 posties for having cups of tea in pub on their break

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If they were sat in a cafe would they still get suspended ?

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NWpostie wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 12:16
If they were sat in a cafe would they still get suspended ?

:hmmmm
Doubt it. The words” in a pub” are what’s sealed their fate.
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I am not sure how wise it is for them to bunch up in any other organisation except Royal Mail premises. We get loads of potatoes saying I will take my break here or there and no one can tell me where and when to take a break - I disagree!

Furthermore, most of them will have taken some sort of break anyways before congregating at a Pub (of all places - not in the 70s or 80s anymore).

Is this their last break or first (half their break) or their entire break.

They are working together in some sort of way - but to what end? I learnt recently that a while sector now decides to take their break at a specific time - good for them! But it was after SISO when their ability to docket endlessly were being curtailed...

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chrisj wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 16:28
I am not sure how wise it is for them to bunch up in any other organisation except Royal Mail premises. We get loads of potatoes saying I will take my break here or there and no one can tell me where and when to take a break - I disagree!

Furthermore, most of them will have taken some sort of break anyways before congregating at a Pub (of all places - not in the 70s or 80s anymore).

Is this their last break or first (half their break) or their entire break.

They are working together in some sort of way - but to what end? I learnt recently that a while sector now decides to take their break at a specific time - good for them! But it was after SISO when their ability to docket endlessly were being curtailed...

Mess around then find out!
Surly a breaks a break no matter were you take it and three got reinstated with others pending sounds like over the top new managment.
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Management clearly using these posties as scapegoats for their failings!
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need to know some questions before judgement

1) did they finish their delivery and go and meet up instead of going back and getting sent back out
2) if they didnt were they there for me than 40 minutes.
3) if they were did they cut off.
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I'm guessing that RM suspended them as they had no way of knowing if they'd been drinking alcohol. Did a load of them take their PDAs into the pub?
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Suspension was really unnecessary even if that is the norm. Suspending so many clearly will have a huge impact compared to whatever the punishment might be - unless they get sacked...

It is interesting that 3 were reinstated - it tells me that some of them were simply not just taking a mere break; there must be some other issues with their work output...

I heard something similar many weeks ago - from our manager... I wonder whether it is the same situation. In that situation, I heard that they declined to do lapse but then convene at the pub instead of going back to the office.

For some many to arrive at the pub to take their 20 minutes break (you are not allowed to take the whole 40 minutes at the start, middle or end) is curious. Surely they could not all have finished at the same time and arrive for tea together?
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How you take your meal relief is your business as long as you don't take over the time allowed or before or after start finish you must have half in between. It does not specify a place but most offices now do not have a place to cook food nor even a place of relaxation. Fact is this whole thing will be happening in every office up and down the land soon!
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:42
I'm guessing that RM suspended them as they had no way of knowing if they'd been drinking alcohol. Did a load of them take their PDAs into the pub?
Without pda,s was marvellous in our place waa full of drunks esp nightshift (any bar out of 4 2mins away good old days lol) an that was height of troubles in belfast.an mail always got out at least my giro did lol.tats how belfast got on.sorry just a bit of the good old days.
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chrisj wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:49


For some many to arrive at the pub to take their 20 minutes break (you are not allowed to take the whole 40 minutes at the start, middle or end) is curious.
Why do you think you can't take the full 40 minutes in "the middle" if that is the office structure?
I worked in an office (with a canteen) that took the full 40 minutes prior to leaving for delivery.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:42
I'm guessing that RM suspended them as they had no way of knowing if they'd been drinking alcohol. Did a load of them take their PDAs into the pub?
I really hope that no manager is stupid enough to use "no way of knowing if they'd been drinking alcohol." as an excuse to suspend or dismiss someone as it definitely falls outside every reasonable test that ETs rely on.

It would also be against the natural justice that our common law system is based on.
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chrisj wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 16:28
I am not sure how wise it is for them to bunch up in any other organisation except Royal Mail premises. We get loads of potatoes saying I will take my break here or there and no one can tell me where and when to take a break - I disagree!

Furthermore, most of them will have taken some sort of break anyways before congregating at a Pub (of all places - not in the 70s or 80s anymore).

Is this their last break or first (half their break) or their entire break.

They are working together in some sort of way - but to what end? I learnt recently that a while sector now decides to take their break at a specific time - good for them! But it was after SISO when their ability to docket endlessly were being curtailed...

Mess around then find out!
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