Leighton here to stay?

[F0zziebear]

There is competition in Holland and Germany and both operators are experiencing attacks on their domestic business. There are full E2E businesses operating.

You're being a bit harsh on Big Al as he worked his way into these positions. His CV reads like the following:

He joined Lloyds Bank in 1972, before becoming a salesman for the Mars Corporation in 1974.

At the Mars Corporation, he was appointed General Sales Manager – UK Grocery Division in 1987 and subsequently spent time with the business in Ireland and Portugal. He was Marketing and Sales Director, Pedigree Petfoods from 1991-1992.

He joined Asda Group PLC as Marketing Director in 1992. He was Retail Operations Director from 1994 to 1995 and became Group Chief Executive in 1996.

He was named President and Chief Executive Officer of Wal-Mart Europe after Wal-Mart Inc took over Asda Group plc in 1999.


Why don't more posties become Depot Managers? It's like there's some glass ceiling or line that you can't step over. You lot know more than anyone else about delivering post. Why don't more union reps become depot managers? When I went to run a depot I knew sweet bugger all. So the first thing I did was go out on some delivery rounds (this didn't go down well with the DOM!) and one cheeky postie got me to do some of his round whilst he was dealing in other things!

That would be my preferred solution rather than bring outsiders in. I would reward and train some budding posties who demonstrate leadership skills and get them running the place. If Allan Leighton can work up from being a banking clerk then why can't other people?

I personally get annoyed when people and some leftist organisations slag off directors. I think it is fair in some cases, but this constant 'it's not fair' approach gets on my nerves. We had an assistant union rep who had most people's respect in the office and he was a better leader than me, yet when trying to persuade him to become a manager it was seen like I was talking madness.

Work shy F0zz

[johno47]

Being a bit harsh on big Al, are you for real, this guy has presided over the loss of 40,000 jobs and another 40,000 to come, and at the same time taking massive bonuses and taking credit for turning a company round, that had got into trouble through their own management mistakes, and also misleading the public and goverment on how bad RM financial position really was, the first year we made profit after the alleged loss making years, we made 3million profit, of which he gave 1million to the London Olympic fund, now im sorry but you just dont do that unless you actualy know that the true state of RM finances are not as bad as youve made out. If you knew anything about this job you would know that all DO managers had used to be ex postmen who had worked their way up by being PHGs first and then going into management, they knew the job, and offices were run a lot better than now. In my office alone we have had 34 managers since 1997, a few werent bad, but some were absolute a***holes who thought the best way to climb the greasy pole to the top was to show the area manager what a complete c**t you could be, managers now are people who have been on the job for a few months, but dont like being a postman, so they become a manager. You dont make any impression in this business by being a DO manager, those that are good and can work with staff get moved on because they are classed as weak. As for posties running the office, are you refering to team working, another hair brained idea, thought up by senior management.
The difference between us and management is that all management would cut each others throats, we stick together.

[baggee]

Good afternoon FOZZY,

You seem to know a lot about Big AL's CV.

[Geordie]

Fozz,

The simple reason many people don't become DOM's is that they aren't prepared to become puppets.

Managers are instructed what to do, and are not allowed to manage. They have no skills in people management, so simply bully and harass to try and get their way.

And that applies all the way up the food chain - managers who simply won't say NO to their own manager.

And before you say not all are like that, I'll grant you there is the odd one - but 99.9% are.

At the end of the day, I would not, could not, and ever will not treat other people like sh*te, and that's why I'll never be a gaffer.

[F0zziebear]

Gentlemen/Ladies,

Good afternoon. You make some good points, and enough to put me in my place on most issues.

1. The pension hole is an un-answered question as to who is responsible for cocking it up.
2. It's not fair to blame Al for what happened before he joined in 2003.
3. You are right that many postmen do become DOM's and many seem to have chips on their shoulders and are like the otherside of the same union coin (I mean they just throw the book at one another!).
4. The majority of non-frontline management are middle managers of whom some are as/if not more passionate that the frontline postie.
5. There are enough senior managers I wouldn't trust to walk their granny across the road (especially if they have life insurance!).
6. The Hammers eh? A travesity and who woke me up from my afternoon nap!

I apologise where I am incorrect and point out Al's CV came from a website. Finally we shold enjoy the rest of our weekend before considering the week ahead.

If only we could Quentin Blake style pictures to go with the narrative

F0zzie relaxed and ready for bed

[ROCKY]

FOZZIE why dont more posties become managers try this
nearly 13 years service, every training opportunity taken, experienced in transport,primary sorting and secondry sorting,walking duties plus able to drive everything from a electric truck up to 600 cf,keen, intelligent, cant type, but hard working with a good attendence record and wanting to move onwards within rm goes on managers course comes back with a glowing report from training course plus the offer of references
first day back in office, dom says to me in my posh new kit that he does not want me there, and does not think i should be there, we had three sub mngrs two who had not been trained, and me ,he would do anything to use the others and not me, and if i was used he would do every thing in his power to prove i was not wanted, one of the other came of bossin numerous times and was talked back when i finally gave up the ghost i was not even interviewed as to why i was giving up in fact i was not even asked,a point of interest the other two went bossin with the doms help i got there on my own
THATS WHY POSTIES DONT BOSS WITHIN RM, IF YOU AINT PICKED BY THOSE ABOVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU ARE WELL AND TRULY FUCKE?

[F0zziebear]

ROCKY

I've got a nice Orange or maybe yellow & red top for you and I'll ensure you have a depot to run. You'll probably need to know most East European languages!

I'll send you a link once the website is set-up

Seriously though, I saw the 'you're in' 'not-in' situation where I worked. It made me sick. I'm not entirely sure what else to suggest except that DOM roles are routinely advertised within the Gazette. It may mean moving to a different area, which might be a problem.

The other problem is that a top earning postie isn't earning masively less than a low range DOM, yet you get all the added hassle. Personally I wouldn't work in most parts of London (you from the region?), though out of all of them I'd plumb for West London and find a nice suburban DO to run.

That's it for today

F0zzie

[L Tommo]

I couldnt help notice that BIG AL's CV was a nice upward moving curve, But i must say i was disturbed that the time he was General Manager of Produce @ MARS 87-91. 91-92 PEDIGREE DOG FOODS.. That this was the time of the great Mars bar scandal.. The size of Britains then favourite chocolate bar was massively shrunk WHY was the word and who done such a calous deed??? ??? Then in 91, Pedigree chum was found to use unfitting meats and other non edible produce in there dog food Now was this just coincidence that BIG AL was a BIG CHEESE then or wot????
ALLEDGED........... SO i bet our mars bars will be cut and now we find our dog food, (quadrant grub) will be worse than slop. (some say that it wont change then)
OUT......

DONT LET THE CUTBACKS IN THE MARS GRIND YA DOWN....

[POSTMAN]

Gentlemen/Ladies,

Good afternoon. You make some good points, and enough to put me in my place on most issues.

1. The pension hole is an un-answered question as to who is responsible for cocking it up.

1a The Gov/Chancellor/Blair and someones Nan,the same c***s who are screwing us now to pay for it.

2. It's not fair to blame Al for what happened before he joined in 2003.

2a Fair enough but he's here now and.................

3. You are right that many postmen do become DOM's and many seem to have chips on their shoulders and are like the otherside of the same union coin (I mean they just throw the book at one another!).

3a EG: Old school chum,hadn't seen the scrotum in 20 odd years and wallop he covers my DO,tried to get a 'cor blimey how are you' convo going no good ,just pulled me up on summin.
Comes in my DO now and again and just looks down at me.
4. The majority of non-frontline management are middle managers of whom some are as/if not more passionate that the frontline postie.
5. There are enough senior managers I wouldn't trust to walk their granny across the road (especially if they have life insurance!).

6. The Hammers eh? A travesity and who woke me up from my afternoon nap!

6a Being a Charlton fan i f***ing love it!!!!!!

I apologise where I am incorrect and point out Al's CV came from a website. Finally we shold enjoy the rest of our weekend before considering the week ahead.

If only we could Quentin Blake style pictures to go with the narrative



F0zzie relaxed and ready for bed

[POSTMAN]

I find it interesting that we have peeps from all over on here and one of the biggest complaints is about the Management.
Not so much the Leighton/Crozier stuff ,but DOM's,SOM's and the like.
Says a lot don't it.
And NO it's not just because we have a load of work and we're told to shift it no matter what,even though some common sence would be nice in some situations.

There is a massive wedge between us and them,and yes it is 'us and them' which has been made by the business with their whole attitude over the years.
And interestingly it's what's holding the Business back at times.

I had a Manager once that i would go the extra mile for and most of us in the DO would of as well.
He was human,fair,but firm when needed to be,and generally a nice bloke,with no bollox attitude.
But not now for my present one and others i've worked under.

I'm not a nasty person,far from it,but my last Dom is now up against the beak for falsifying signatures for Registered mail (travellers cheques )delivered to a BO,where the clerks house even got raided by the IB.
He had made my working life hell at times,and i'm loving every minute of his predicament,long may he suffer,like i did.
Like i said,says a lot don't it.
One of my collegues said he saw him in a town center a while back and spoke to him,i asked what the DOM(ex)(jobless c***) said to him.
He replied "Big Issue":chuckle


And NO i'm not interested in the complain about a Manager/Harrasment line bollox.

[ROCKY]

fozzie my location is more last of the summer wine than eastenders, as for dom jobs we have a number of other offices in the postcode area, but they are tied to us and there for our dom,any further afield would cause childcare problems and you are right about the money, my last substitution payment was £80 over my wage, minus the bonus payments i lost ,plus docket,driving pay,d2ds etc i think i was about £30 better off
if its any help i can swear in russian and polish looking forewards to your link

[F0zziebear]

I got hold of the Monkey Dust first series (an animation satire on the BBC) here's the synopsis from the first episode

Series one

[edit] Labia
A series of sketches featuring a morally dubious consultancy company begin several episodes. Initially a satire on the Royal Mail renaming itself Consignia, the company charges large amounts of money to rebrand companies and other things, e. g. renaming cancer as "Closure" and advertising it as an attractive end-of-life option. The man who invents their new brand names is an international adventurer who looks like Lord Byron. The company's offices are in the shape of their logo, just like the former NatWest Tower (Tower 42).

Until we're filled down to our crink

F0zzie

[POSTMAN]

So,work slow down your way then Fozzarooney

[johno47]

Fozzie " stop taking that wacky backy " your making as much sense as a DO manager giving a WLT meeting

[POSTMAN]

Fozzie " stop taking that wacky backy " your making as much sense as a DO manager giving a WLT meeting

I blame lax customs