Delivery method

[hans solo]

Hi martin
Can you please explain how your DM 26 method has changed again
We are now being quoted the following for 2 men
Duty 1 clear everything
Duty 2 1st class and pkts
Duty 3 1/3 everything
Duty 4 1/3 1st class and pkts

Singleton duty
Duty 3 2/3 everything
Duty 4 2/3 everything

Appparently this method agreed nationaly
Not what we voted on ??

[ted_e_bear]

Edited my reply ;

You've described nearly what was proposed as per all the information available before people voted it in.

It should be as you say but
Singleton duty
Duty 3 2/3 everything
Duty 4 2/3 first class and pkts

Thanks trams for pointing out my mistake I didn't read it properly

[tramssirhc]

Hi martin
Can you please explain how your DM 26 method has changed again
We are now being quoted the following for 2 men
Duty 1 clear everything
Duty 2 1st class and pkts
Duty 3 1/3 everything
Duty 4 1/3 1st class and pkts

Singleton duty
Duty 3 2/3 everything
Duty 4 2/3 everything

Appparently this method agreed nationaly
Not what we voted on ??

That's not correct. It's 4 bags heavy, 4 bags light for all three. The pair do all of duty 1 (heavy), duty 2 is everything that's needs to be done that day (light). They also take 1/3 of duty 3 (heavy) and a 1/3 of duty 4 (light). The person on their own takes the rest of duty 3 (heavy) and the rest of duty 4 (light).

On the day the light duties will only receive what needs to go. The workload will start to build after day two as on day three the deferred work will need delivering.

[tramssirhc]

You've described exactly what was proposed as per all the information available before people voted it in.

(It's the same amount of work for the pairing and the singleton everyone does 2/3rds everything and 2/3rds parcels/1c from the total of the 4 duties but obviously singleton is probably more appealing for most people)

Edit...not to be confused with rural type singletons they do 50/50 of only their own duty everything/parcels+1c then having spare time they'll come and help you.

It's not nor is it what's been agreed. All three do 4 bags heavy, 4 bags light.

[ted_e_bear]

You've described exactly what was proposed as per all the information available before people voted it in.

(It's the same amount of work for the pairing and the singleton everyone does 2/3rds everything and 2/3rds parcels/1c from the total of the 4 duties but obviously singleton is probably more appealing for most people)

Edit...not to be confused with rural type singletons they do 50/50 of only their own duty everything/parcels+1c then having spare time they'll come and help you.

It's not nor is it what's been agreed. All three do 4 bags heavy, 4 bags light.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake I didn't read it properly, edited my original reply, I think I got sidetracked by the singleton doing 2/3rds of both aspects for two duties, here's the graphic if it helps anyone

Screenshot_20260602-154339.png

[Rm121]

Martin Walsh won't be on here till next vote.

[Playmail]

I can see the driver making the non driver do all the heavy bags while they drive about in there van doing large and what ever is in the light bags. This is already happening in or do

[clashcityrocker]

I can see the driver making the non driver do all the heavy bags while they drive about in there van doing large and what ever is in the light bags. This is already happening in or do

How does the driver make the non driver do anything?
Does the non driver not have a pair?

[postslippete]

Looking at the graphic again, the singleton appears to have the easier operational model as they are primarily staying within town 3 and town 4 whereas the shared pair appear to be bouncing between 4 separate territories. How much dead time is that?

[postmanplod2026]

this just sounds like an absolute joke, how on earth can u keep up with what, how to complicate the role of a postman

[tramssirhc]

You've described exactly what was proposed as per all the information available before people voted it in.

(It's the same amount of work for the pairing and the singleton everyone does 2/3rds everything and 2/3rds parcels/1c from the total of the 4 duties but obviously singleton is probably more appealing for most people)

Edit...not to be confused with rural type singletons they do 50/50 of only their own duty everything/parcels+1c then having spare time they'll come and help you.

It's not nor is it what's been agreed. All three do 4 bags heavy, 4 bags light.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake I didn't read it properly, edited my original reply, I think I got sidetracked by the singleton doing 2/3rds of both aspects for two duties, here's the graphic if it helps anyone

Screenshot_20260602-154339.png

No problem. It may look simple on paper but in practice.....

[tramssirhc]

I can see the driver making the non driver do all the heavy bags while they drive about in there van doing large and what ever is in the light bags. This is already happening in or do

That's not the agreement. The days of inefficiency are over. Driving a vehicle around is not cost effective. DM26 focuses on 'once over the ground'. It is about a complete reset in delivery and reinforcement of the SOP's. The vehicle is there for transportation and the delivery of oversize items.

[tramssirhc]

Looking at the graphic again, the singleton appears to have the easier operational model as they are primarily staying within town 3 and town 4 whereas the shared pair appear to be bouncing between 4 separate territories. How much dead time is that?

No one gets it easy as the deferred work has to be delivered. The planning for DM26 should take into account the distances required to be travelled over.

[thefox]

I can see the driver making the non driver do all the heavy bags while they drive about in there van doing large and what ever is in the light bags. This is already happening in or do

Non driver simply refuses to do it that way and Insists they stick to how it's meant to be done if driver doesn't like it get the manager and rep involved.

[Mr Rush]

I can see the driver making the non driver do all the heavy bags while they drive about in there van doing large and what ever is in the light bags. This is already happening in or do

That's not the agreement. The days of inefficiency are over. Driving a vehicle around is not cost effective. DM26 focuses on 'once over the ground'. It is about a complete reset in delivery and reinforcement of the SOP's. The vehicle is there for transportation and the delivery of oversize items.

A lot of what went on when P&L was introduced wasn't done by the book but it was a case of whatever got the duty cleared (planners' words, not mine). I'm thinking specifically of pairings working solo with the walker continuing to do their own duty using the pouch boxes and picking up a loop off the driver in exchange for their oversized being done.

So long as we're delivering microwave ovens and picking up car bumpers, once over the ground is a pipe dream.