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sfxdby
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Re: Delivery method

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tramssirhc wrote:
03 Jun 2026, 06:50
postslippete wrote:
02 Jun 2026, 20:22
Looking at the graphic again, the singleton appears to have the easier operational model as they are primarily staying within town 3 and town 4 whereas the shared pair appear to be bouncing between 4 separate territories. How much dead time is that?
No one gets it easy as the deferred work has to be delivered. The planning for DM26 should take into account the distances required to be travelled over.
Looking at the graphic and imagining my walk (Town 3) for the singleton which has not gone out for 2 or 3 days, I would say 'Evie will just about manage that. She won't get to the Light Duty (Town 4,) which might have 100 packets on it as well.'
It's not going to work.
What's she going to do? Prioritise parcels and leave ALL the mail?

Why isn't this being done properly by creating new duties which are then tested and signed off?
I hope the greedy wotsits have massive fines imposed by Ofcom cos it's going to be a sh1tshow.
tramssirhc
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Re: Delivery method

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sfxdby wrote:
03 Jun 2026, 18:35
tramssirhc wrote:
03 Jun 2026, 06:50
postslippete wrote:
02 Jun 2026, 20:22
Looking at the graphic again, the singleton appears to have the easier operational model as they are primarily staying within town 3 and town 4 whereas the shared pair appear to be bouncing between 4 separate territories. How much dead time is that?
No one gets it easy as the deferred work has to be delivered. The planning for DM26 should take into account the distances required to be travelled over.
Looking at the graphic and imagining my walk (Town 3) for the singleton which has not gone out for 2 or 3 days, I would say 'Evie will just about manage that. She won't get to the Light Duty (Town 4,) which might have 100 packets on it as well.'
It's not going to work.
What's she going to do? Prioritise parcels and leave ALL the mail?

Why isn't this being done properly by creating new duties which are then tested and signed off?
I hope the greedy wotsits have massive fines imposed by Ofcom cos it's going to be a sh1tshow.
It's a good question. The 2010 revisions is where it started to go wrong. Under DM26 the lapsed walks should return to the conditioned hours. There should be an end to the geographical inefficiency as the new lapsed duties are within the pod. However if the workload is not balanced, e.g. three outside scope duties are in a pod, then that will be a problem. The planning process should be looking at the duty mix in all the pods and the agreement does say that it will not be complete at the local level until all duties clear the days workload every day. The reality? LWT's have been mandatory since 2010......
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Re: Delivery method

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I stopped using trolly as 90% in office didnt use them and my driver started passing more and more large packets into bags for me to take as he couldnt cope with volumes
tramssirhc
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Re: Delivery method

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hans solo wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 07:36
I stopped using trolly as 90% in office didnt use them and my driver started passing more and more large packets into bags for me to take as he couldnt cope with volumes
There's plenty of workers still using them and they are still manufactured. My point was agreements are made but never stuck to.
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Re: Delivery method

Post by Pidleypoo »

Everyone that actually does this job knows this won’t work.

It isn’t an arguable position that it will.

Work will pile up quicker and will not be recoverable.

From autumn pressure onwards it will be the worst you’ve ever seen it.

I’ve never known a business want to drive away customers like this one does.

And btw , it won’t just be letters that go undelivered, it will be every type of product.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Delivery method

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hans solo wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 07:36
I stopped using trolly as 90% in office didnt use them and my driver started passing more and more large packets into bags for me to take as he couldnt cope with volumes
If you're meant to be using one as part of your duty and you injure yourself, that'll be an instant blameworthy.
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Re: Delivery method

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 09:53

If you're meant to be using one as part of your duty and you injure yourself, that'll be an instant blameworthy.
Only in your head.
I have never seen anyone who has injured themselves while out on delivery without using a trolley issued an instant blameworthy.
It just doesn't happen.
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claretandblue
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Re: Delivery method

Post by claretandblue »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 09:53
hans solo wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 07:36
I stopped using trolly as 90% in office didnt use them and my driver started passing more and more large packets into bags for me to take as he couldnt cope with volumes
If you're meant to be using one as part of your duty and you injure yourself, that'll be an instant blameworthy.
You're more likely to get conducted for using a trolley, than not.
Chelseablue
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Re: Delivery method

Post by Chelseablue »

Are offices tooled up with trolleys nowadays? They were pushed and pushed by the union for ages , then nothing. If we all went out with trolleys for the heavy mail coming our way, even more failures. .
postslippete
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Re: Delivery method

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Don't know about instant blameworthy for not using a trolley

But with the new delivery methods and the likelihood of carrying several days worth of mail, surely duties need to be properly risk-assessed and the use of LWTs as an approved delivery method?

Because if they are and an employee decides not to use one, then in the event of an injury the company will almost certainly ask whether the correct equipment was being used. And consequently, if there wasn't a trolley available, management would also need to explain how the work is expected to be carried out safely without it.
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Mr Rush
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Re: Delivery method

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Chelseablue wrote:
05 Jun 2026, 19:23
Are offices tooled up with trolleys nowadays? They were pushed and pushed by the union for ages , then nothing.
By 2013 almost all of the ones issued to our office were in yorks stored in the unused smokers' shed. Reeked of cat piss. Later they disappeared never to be seen again.

That's pretty consistent with trolley availability historically, from what I've read. For some reason the GPO/PO/RM has always been intransigent about getting weight off people's backs.
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