LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

[Newandscared]

For those of us that joined after the 2022 date and on the new contract, are we being paid the same hourly rate for the same role?

[ted_e_bear]

For those of us that joined after the 2022 date and on the new contract, are we being paid the same hourly rate for the same role?

No

'legacy' contract pay for 37 hour week is

£505.13
Plus delivery supplement of £29.35 so
£534.48

But also bear in mind that's not for 37 hours work it's actually only approx 34 as there's paid breaks 30 or 40 minutes dependent on daily attendance.

After 37 the pay rate goes down a bit though as overtime is paid at a lower rate for the first 10 hours then even less after that.

[Bambam3131]

Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Exactly this.

30hr PT contract that is not worth the paper it's printed on. I've regularly made myself available for OT and averaged 40hrs per week since joining. Our DO on the spreadsheet says 6 potential uplifts on their contract and asked what numbers we had on PT contracts. Apparently there are 6 but been told my names not one being offered but others say no to OT pretty much all the time.

This is the only company I've ever worked for that being diligent, good at your work and willing to work hard but doesn't reap any benefit whether it's some acknowledgement, loyalty or financial reward.

And to kick us in the teeth for hitting good delivery targets over Christmas they stop OT. Those of us on 30hrs need OT.

Utterly disgraceful and demotivated by the whole thing.

[SkiSunday]

Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Exactly this.

30hr PT contract that is not worth the paper it's printed on. I've regularly made myself available for OT and averaged 40hrs per week since joining. Our DO on the spreadsheet says 6 potential uplifts on their contract and asked what numbers we had on PT contracts. Apparently there are 6 but been told my names not one being offered but others say no to OT pretty much all the time.

This is the only company I've ever worked for that being diligent, good at your work and willing to work hard but doesn't reap any benefit whether it's some acknowledgement, loyalty or financial reward.

And to kick us in the teeth for hitting good delivery targets over Christmas they stop OT. Those of us on 30hrs need OT.

Utterly disgraceful and demotivated by the whole thing.

Welcome to royal fail

[Newandscared]

For those of us that joined after the 2022 date and on the new contract, are we being paid the same hourly rate for the same role?

No

'legacy' contract pay for 37 hour week is

£505.13
Plus delivery supplement of £29.35 so
£534.48

But also bear in mind that's not for 37 hours work it's actually only approx 34 as there's paid breaks 30 or 40 minutes dependent on daily attendance.

After 37 the pay rate goes down a bit though as overtime is paid at a lower rate for the first 10 hours then even less after that.

Aren't all employees new joiner or legacy supposed to be paid the same hourly rate for the same role?? Is there a legal complaint here similar to Next and Morrisons disputes???

[TopperGas]

Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Exactly this.

30hr PT contract that is not worth the paper it's printed on. I've regularly made myself available for OT and averaged 40hrs per week since joining. Our DO on the spreadsheet says 6 potential uplifts on their contract and asked what numbers we had on PT contracts. Apparently there are 6 but been told my names not one being offered but others say no to OT pretty much all the time.

This is the only company I've ever worked for that being diligent, good at your work and willing to work hard but doesn't reap any benefit whether it's some acknowledgement, loyalty or financial reward.

And to kick us in the teeth for hitting good delivery targets over Christmas they stop OT. Those of us on 30hrs need OT.

Utterly disgraceful and demotivated by the whole thing.

Have you seen the list showing the 6 names as it seems odd they've appeared on the list if they never do OT? The two on our list have apparently already been FT for years, although nobody seems to have seen the list.

[Bambam3131]

Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Exactly this.

30hr PT contract that is not worth the paper it's printed on. I've regularly made myself available for OT and averaged 40hrs per week since joining. Our DO on the spreadsheet says 6 potential uplifts on their contract and asked what numbers we had on PT contracts. Apparently there are 6 but been told my names not one being offered but others say no to OT pretty much all the time.

This is the only company I've ever worked for that being diligent, good at your work and willing to work hard but doesn't reap any benefit whether it's some acknowledgement, loyalty or financial reward.

And to kick us in the teeth for hitting good delivery targets over Christmas they stop OT. Those of us on 30hrs need OT.

Utterly disgraceful and demotivated by the whole thing.

Have you seen the list showing the 6 names as it seems odd they've appeared on the list if they never do OT? The two on our list have apparently already been FT for years, although nobody seems to have seen the list.

No, not seen the list of names. Just the spreadsheet showing the numbers of uplifts each depot is being given.

I've never worked for such a company that even in a small depot setting that being good at what you do doesn't get recognised or appreciated. End of the day management can only look good at their job if the team under them are performing well.
I know there's good and bad in all workplaces but there just seems to be very little in the way of building a coherent team/workforce.
This from a company that spouts "Be part of it" at the point of induction!

I know seniority takes precedence, as well it should. But by offering sub par contracts on different t's & c's was always going to create a divide from the off. But to be told there was no consideration to an uplift was demotivating to say the least.
Not to blow my own trumpet but after being there only a month I was showing another new starter what to do on various things.

[postslippete]

No, not seen the list of names. Just the spreadsheet showing the numbers of uplifts each depot is being given.

I've never worked for such a company that even in a small depot setting that being good at what you do doesn't get recognised or appreciated. End of the day management can only look good at their job if the team under them are performing well.
I know there's good and bad in all workplaces but there just seems to be very little in the way of building a coherent team/workforce.
This from a company that spouts "Be part of it" at the point of induction!

I know seniority takes precedence, as well it should. But by offering sub par contracts on different t's & c's was always going to create a divide from the off. But to be told there was no consideration to an uplift was demotivating to say the least.
Not to blow my own trumpet but after being there only a month I was showing another new starter what to do on various things.

Overtime has always suited RM as and when they want it. The company relied on posties over Xmas and then spat them out afterwards should only serve as grim reminder that it is probably best to refuse overtime in future and look instead for a 2nd income somewhere else. Perhaps another part-time job or a side hustle.

[clashcityrocker]

I was a bit surprised to find I was one of the 11 000.

[zzzidane]

Any updates on this anyone?!

[Newandscared]

So equalising the new entrants.....does that mean you bring us up to the older contract pay and conditions or you bring the previous employees down to us or we meet in the middle? The legacy workers will not accept 12.54 an hour, no paid break, no sick leave etc.

Yes, if there were other options for me I wouldn't have taken the role especially since I was lied to in recruitment, but I need to eat. I didn't find out until the end of my first working week that you don't actually get any time off really, ie a Rolling day off. Then over the following 4 months told not to bring parcels back but also not allowed to claim over time.....then told directly by line management to mark parcels inaccessible and to employ claw back of overtime on quiet days.... and that's only half of it.

Some of the Line Managers need to take a look at the new Employee Rights Bill (they should have been looking at the old one but somehow failed and were allowed to get away with things). I suggest the union force feed the new regs, particularly regarding sexual harassment at work, to the line managers or there will be a mass exodus of managers when they get caught not complying. There is an issue and it needs to be addressed.

[lsmmcd]

I have seen Nepotism being used for part time duties.
A C1 driving duty goes on the board advertised as part time. Friends and family of managers are encouraged to apply for duty.
As soon as they get it, 1st day duty is on full time hours using ad-hoc overtime. Now they are sitting on the best duty in the depot that a man of 30 years would have loved but didn't sign for because it
was advertised as part time. After 6 month's the work is justified and they are offered full time hours but allowed to stay on that duty.
This is a loophole being abused so friends and family can jump onto the best duties.
Martin can you explain why this is allowed to happen.
Should duties being made full time be re -advertised

[ted_e_bear]

I have seen Nepotism being used for part time duties.
A C1 driving duty goes on the board advertised as part time. Friends and family of managers are encouraged to apply for duty.
As soon as they get it, 1st day duty is on full time hours using ad-hoc overtime. Now they are sitting on the best duty in the depot that a man of 30 years would have loved but didn't sign for because it
was advertised as part time. After 6 month's the work is justified and they are offered full time hours but allowed to stay on that duty.
This is a loophole being abused so friends and family can jump onto the best duties.
Martin can you explain why this is allowed to happen.
Should duties being made full time be re -advertised

Similar in delivery offices, well definitely in mine, when long service full timers on nice singleton duties retired they made the duties part time, after a short while they're asked to come in early to do IPS or prep which previously the full time aspect of the duty would have done, it stinks, the only thing that hasn't happened is they haven't been offered full time, that would really piss a few off if the duties weren't subsequently advertised like they should be.

[Londonsburning]

I have seen Nepotism being used for part time duties.
A C1 driving duty goes on the board advertised as part time. Friends and family of managers are encouraged to apply for duty.
As soon as they get it, 1st day duty is on full time hours using ad-hoc overtime. Now they are sitting on the best duty in the depot that a man of 30 years would have loved but didn't sign for because it
was advertised as part time. After 6 month's the work is justified and they are offered full time hours but allowed to stay on that duty.
This is a loophole being abused so friends and family can jump onto the best duties.
Martin can you explain why this is allowed to happen.
Should duties being made full time be re -advertised

Similar in delivery offices, well definitely in mine, when long service full timers on nice singleton duties retired they made the duties part time, after a short while they're asked to come in early to do IPS or prep which previously the full time aspect of the duty would have done, it stinks, the only thing that hasn't happened is they haven't been offered full time, that would really piss a few off if the duties weren't subsequently advertised like they should be.

It really does just show you what a shitey environment RM is to work in don't it. That is absolutely abnormal in the real working world outside of royal mail.