Your sick record.

sore-feet · Post by **sore-feet** » 21 Dec 2006, 22:05

Seeing as i'm off sick at the mo,stinking cold,what's your record like.
I'm on a stage 1 at the mo,but it's been bout 8 Months since i was given that,which pisses me off that i'm sick now.
Got stitched on me 1st stage,twisted me ankle on one occasion AOD,like AOD's matter nowadays anyway,
had another cold,and had some seriously painfull back ache.
And yes you've guessed it stage 1 issued straight away,even though i hadn't been sick for like a year and a half.
It's just not worth having the interview cause they give it anyway.
Piss takers.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 28 Dec 2006, 22:11

I'm on a stage 2,got off an rtu last march,so godda keep my nose clean for 18 Months so it all gets wiped off.
Seems AOD's,dog attacks,and an accident IN my office yard doesn't count.
Just f***ing pointless going to the interviews.

LS6punter · Post by **LS6punter** » 09 Jan 2007, 13:23

Can any posties explain to me why on earth the union ever agreed to the stage 1 discipinary procedure, which treats all cases the same? So that someone with a documented, genuine medical reason for absence is treated the same as an idiot who calls in sick cos he couldn't be arsed getting out of bed? I know that it is at the manager's discretion to enforce this or not but from what I've seen they invariably give them out whatever the reason.

I'm not a postie by the way, I just have to live with one

Prawn Star · Post by **Prawn Star** » 09 Jan 2007, 18:35

I'd got a reasonable good sick recorduntill in the space of 5 monthes i broke my fingers and had an op on my knee beofe i knew it i was on a stage two.

I could understand i was off but its not as if i was faking it.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 09 Jan 2007, 19:40

The whole process is a sham,the managers reckon they're not told to give everything,but summin must be up.
Prawn Star's is bad enough,but i've seen even worse.

And LS6punter,get your old man to register

Docketman · Post by **Docketman** » 18 Jan 2007, 18:10

I had to knock on a Monday in December as I couldn't get time off to see my daughters xmas show, so I had to knock all week to make it worthwhile. After all an absent is an absent.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 18 Jan 2007, 20:58

Docketman wrote:I had to knock on a Monday in December as I couldn't get time off to see my daughters xmas show, so I had to knock all week to make it worthwhile. After all an absent is an absent.

We've got more chance getting a bj off the Pope than getting a day off if the weeks are booked.
Hence we go..........

Post by **darth** » 21 Jan 2007, 21:00

there are some who play the system and i cannot really blame them,however it could all go pearshape if they have a genuine illness.

what i will mention is if you have been sick is register your illness truthfully ie if you have a bad back say it is a bad back (dont lie and say it was a cold.)feeling that if you had a repeat incidence of a back complaint is a weakness.keep all sick notes ,reciepts for supports etc,chiropracter appointments etc,just in case you have a stage 3 get sacked and have to appeal.

i attended an appeal for dismissal for a poor attendance record(he was none union and felt he needed morale support) and was amazed at the records for royal mail how they go through every sickness and accuracy.the onus is on the member to prove that if they had an underlying illness was to have the written facts,down to the smallest detail.it was frightening to see how thorough they are.
it is worth being in the union just to have representation if you have the misfortune to get to that stage.

also beware of accidents at work being registerd as incidents at work

pinky · Post by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2007, 15:51

having been through a stage three interview after an accident at work involving the worst manager in the office who just sat there and insulted me, it all sounds so familiar :(, luckily ive kept my job but now i cant even ask for light duties without getting laughed at, when i tried to complain about bullying and harrassment nothing happened as the people who dealt with my complaint where members of his family working higher up in royal mail, im getting no where fast and with all the extra packets im supposed to carry my backs just gettin worse :( anyone got any bright ideas ??

ROCKY · Post by **ROCKY** » 24 Jan 2007, 16:34

if you have a accident at work get onto your local dhss/job centre or www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk and get the paper work to have it and any injuries you incurred classified as a industrial injury i have had four accidents at work all of which incurred injury and time off and this little nugget of info only reached me once
secondly when you fill out a accident report make sure your union rep gets a copy they are supposed to but it can get overlooked
third have you been sent to your local rm doctor/nurse (EHS)all areas have one they can recomend/tell your manager what you can and cant do
fourth get yourself and your injury assesed by a private physio it costs but under the right circumstancers rm will pay for treatment if it is a curable problem
fifth what the f??k is your rep doing
sixth rm has a bullying and harassment line also there was some leaflet that came round a while back with all the rm help listed i recycled mine but someone must have kept theirs that you know as for the manson family managment system have you any ex bosses still working for royal mail that you would trust or you can demand a boss from a different area to hear your case
if you can give me a few instancers of what has happened i may be able to point you in the right direction

pinky · Post by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2007, 20:32

thanks for the advice
firstly i have been to ehs, interview lasted all of five mins and was quite frankly a waste of time as the rep was patronising and talking to me as if i was a little kid, outcome was that as it wasnt seen as a reoccuring problem i should continue working and ask for light duties if required, as before im laughed at as light duties dont exsist only adjusted duties such as sorting mail instead!! standing in one place makes it worse so that was no use.
as for the union rep they did come into the stage three meeting with me and were very helpfull, it looks like i will be droped back to stage two but if i keep up the duty im on its only going to get worse, im kinda stuck in a rut spending money on physio n hoping to bill royal mail
i'll try the bullying n harrassment line again but as i said the complaint is dealt with by a member of their family so the outcome looks bleak
heres hoping

pinky · Post by **pinky** » 24 Jan 2007, 20:46

just as an added extra incase anyone else finds themselves at stage three

1) for gods sake make sure you take someone else in with you, preferably your union rep
2) take a dictaphone or tape recorder, you can be guaranteed that everything you say will be twisted and that all the important info will be lost
3) back it up with written reports cos when the bosses copy comes back, its always missing the insults they gave you!!
4)be prepared to discuss all your personal problems, its embarrasing but you really do have to explain every incident of illness, not just the present problem
5) look as ill as possible, they call you in when your off sick to try and prove you can get to work, get a taxi and bill them, i did!!
6)keep a diary on a daily basis
its amazing how much info goes off the record

you will have three working days to appeal your case and it goes back to the manager who you had your meeting with, convenient aint it!!!!!!! good luck x

Post by **POSTMAN** » 24 Jan 2007, 21:42

Ok here's my experience,it kinda might help.
I was late for my ehs appointment,couldn't find the room in a large Mail centre ffs,the Doc was an arse,all he was interested in was me getting back to work,and basically said that if my injury kept occuring i'll be out on my ear,charming.
I went there for help and got none.
I've seen people on light dutys in my place,one collegue had everything written down to the last minute.
How long they could stand for,how long they could sit ect,ect.
They were eased back into their walk gradually,1/4 of the walk in the 1st week,1/2 the next and so on.
IF Royal Mail broke the agreement then they would be held accountable,if a Doctor say you can only stand for 1/2 an hr then that's all you are entitled to do,no Manager can tell you different.

You need to see your own GP and tell him everything,the in's and out's EVERYTHING,the way the job works ect,he may be able to recommend a way for you to ease back into the job,he can recommend that you can only do certain things for a certain length of time.
Getting a Doctors note like that no Manager can touch you,they will be accountable,and you could sue.
Light dutys are NOT down to the manager he can't say yes,and he definitely can't say NO,he's not a f***ing Doctor is he!!

Also contact Allan Leighton,sounds scary,but i think you'll be suprised at the help he could give you.
ask.allan@royalmail.com
tell.allan@royalmail.com

Ps your num 5

they can kiss my arse if they'd try that with me.
Also the only num i've got is in the Courier which is the Employee assistance service.
0800 6888 777 24hrs,try that,have a word with them.

pinky · Post by **pinky** » 25 Jan 2007, 17:49

"Light dutys are NOT down to the manager he can't say yes,and he definitely can't say NO,he's not a f***ing Doctor is he!! "

thats a familiar phrase mine even asked me if i though i was a f***ing doctor!!
im sure i know whats best for me, keeping a diary now and i'll deffinatly ask my GP for a detailed note as suggested
Cheers x

Post by **POSTMAN** » 25 Jan 2007, 23:17

pinky wrote:
"Light dutys are NOT down to the manager he can't say yes,and he definitely can't say NO,he's not a f***ing Doctor is he!! "
thats a familiar phrase mine even asked me if i though i was a f***ing doctor!!
im sure i know whats best for me, keeping a diary now and i'll deffinatly ask my GP for a detailed note as suggested
Cheers x

Good luck with it all,don't kill yourself rushing around,better to finish late than be laid up.