Mandatory overtime on new contract?

[poolcued]

Could anyone clarify whether new starters are obliged to work an extra 30 minutes as part of their contract or if it is actually voluntary. Does this render the cut-off process meaningless?

[scotchy1962]

I would imagine all o/t is voluntary, although i have no idea what is in the new contracts. There is a 30 min flex agreement, but i believe you are meant to get the time back sometime in the same week, so never do it on saturday.
I am sure someone with more knowledge than me will enlighten you.

[Barnacle]

Could anyone clarify whether new starters are obliged to work an extra 30 minutes as part of their contract or if it is actually voluntary. Does this render the cut-off process meaningless?

Are you a postie, DPR person, mail centre worker?

Overtime is not compulsory. Are these 30mins extra required daily or weekly?

[poolcued]

Delivery.

[tramssirhc]

Overtime is mandatory in all contracts post 2011 and is expressed in contracts prior to 2011 becausr of the nature of the work. Any ad-hoc overtime not planned can be declined. Any overtime planned in resourcing must be worked. The flexing agreement is currently being reviewed.

[postslippete]

Although most of our contracts will state somewhere that "a measure of overtime working is necessary which will be on a voluntary basis" and that a "condition of your employment is that you are liable to work overtime" - there is no mention that overtime is compulsory and for managers to try and force employees to do overtime against their wishes in addition to their basic contractual hours could actually make them in breach of contract, especially if they tell employees that it is compulsory - when its not, and by threatening people with disciplinary if they refuse to do overtime.

[scotchy1962]

Overtime is mandatory in all contracts post 2011 and is expressed in contracts prior to 2011 becausr of the nature of the work. Any ad-hoc overtime not planned can be declined. Any overtime planned in resourcing must be worked. The flexing agreement is currently being reviewed.

First i have ever heard this, fancy that, mandatory o/t. If this was indeed true i would have imagined the managers would have enforced it on a regular basis.
Let me be the first to call bullshit on this.

[Smoothbackground]

There is a clause in the new-style contract allowing the business to require you to work “mandatory” overtime — clause 9.2:

The nature of the service makes a measure of additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank holidays) as the needs of the service demand.

[yellowbelly]

There is a clause in the new-style contract allowing the business to require you to work “mandatory” overtime — clause 9.2:

The nature of the service makes a measure of additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank holidays) as the needs of the service demand.

That's not only in the 'new' contracts, it's in my slightly 'older' one too. Never been enforced and if they tried it on the day with
no warning they've got no chance. The famous 'forecasting' that managers rely on is an absolute crock. They never know what's coming
in day to day. The only forecasting they rely on is 'it'll be quieter in the summer than winter' - that's it.

[poolcued]

So it is and it isn't, at the same time. Makes sense.

[Barnacle]

This has been discussed on several other threads. Overtime is NOT compulsory. The clause is there to ensure flexibility when operational difficulties occur such as a van breaking down, flooding, various acts of God, etc.

In such situations you may end up working over. If the van was stuck in a flood, it would be nobby behaviour to insist on you being the priority to get back to the office on time. The clause is there to ensure such situations do not impact the mail and you would be expected to remain to safeguard it.

[menditsa]

The nature of the service makes a measure of additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank holidays) as the needs of the service demand.

Does this clause allow them to change your start time from say 09.00 - 15.00 to 13.00 - 19.00 ? (DPR Driver)

[Barnacle]

The nature of the service makes a measure of additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank holidays) as the needs of the service demand.

Does this clause allow them to change your start time from say 09.00 - 15.00 to 13.00 - 19.00 ? (DPR Driver)

They would have to give you several weeks notice of such a change and also make reasonable adjustments if you were unable to make such a drastic change.

[menditsa]

So not 24 hours then

[SpacePhoenix]

The nature of the service makes a measure of additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank holidays) as the needs of the service demand.

Does this clause allow them to change your start time from say 09.00 - 15.00 to 13.00 - 19.00 ? (DPR Driver)

They would have to give you several weeks notice of such a change and also make reasonable adjustments if you were unable to make such a drastic change.

Think it's just 30 days notice of any change of hours