More mass exodus from delivery...

[roadrunner bill]

What is happening....

Delivery offices are losing massive amounts of delivery staff..
People.. leaving... that have quit... had enough... retired...
On the sick....

the company responsible for people mental health. Have left....

Is it all a big plan to kill the company ?

The elites running the show... vasts amounts of wealth to control the working class....

A company failing badly... isn't a successful company..

What the hell is happening ??

[kazardaimenu]

So it goes.

[thefox]

In the last year we have lost 4 guys with a combined service of about 110 years.

[Smoothbackground]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

[al64]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

[Woody84]

New recruits are hired on poor t&c’s and lower wages, majority soon figure out the pay isn’t worth the work that is expected of them. This then leads to a very high turnover over in staff meaning more pressure and more expectations on long serving staff and small % of new recruits that enjoy the job and stay.

Equalisation must come asap, that way the job would be a lot more attractive and help keep new recruits for longer which will lead to less stress and workload being places on current long standing staff members.

[Clappedoutpostie]

New recruits are hired on poor t&c’s and lower wages, majority soon figure out the pay isn’t worth the work that is expected of them. This then leads to a very high turnover over in staff meaning more pressure and more expectations on long serving staff and small % of new recruits that enjoy the job and stay.

Equalisation must come asap, that way the job would be a lot more attractive and help keep new recruits for longer which will lead to less stress and workload being places on current long standing staff members.

I agree with what you say Woody but will also add the world has changed since Covid and so has peoples attitude towards work. Maybe equalising t&c will do the trick people people need to be treated abit better as well, people don’t put up with that sort of stuff in today’s easy come easy go world of work.

[Jpro747]

People need to wake up... they don't care. Those jobs will be replaced by those coming into our country who will gladly accept the low pay and conditions. Furthering the gap between wealth and living standards between rich and poor.

[OikOik]

I mean there is several reasons really. The one that really pisses people off in my experience from talking to people who have joined(then left) is finding out you're doing the same job as someone next to you for less money.

[TopperGas]

New recruits are hired on poor t&c’s and lower wages, majority soon figure out the pay isn’t worth the work that is expected of them. This then leads to a very high turnover over in staff meaning more pressure and more expectations on long serving staff and small % of new recruits that enjoy the job and stay.

Equalisation must come asap, that way the job would be a lot more attractive and help keep new recruits for longer which will lead to less stress and workload being places on current long standing staff members.

If the company can force out more and more legacy workers then eventually they'll be no need to equalise pay upwards, as new contract staff will out number legacy staff?

Let's face it if the company had any interest in equaliser pay they would have announced a time table for equalisation by now.

[Woody84]

New recruits are hired on poor t&c’s and lower wages, majority soon figure out the pay isn’t worth the work that is expected of them. This then leads to a very high turnover over in staff meaning more pressure and more expectations on long serving staff and small % of new recruits that enjoy the job and stay.

Equalisation must come asap, that way the job would be a lot more attractive and help keep new recruits for longer which will lead to less stress and workload being places on current long standing staff members.

If the company can force out more and more legacy workers then eventually they'll be no need to equalise pay upwards, as new contract staff will out number legacy staff?

Let's face it if the company had any interest in equaliser pay they would have announced a time table for equalisation by now.

Totally agree.

I think that is the ultimate goal and imo the union top people know this.

[postslippete]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

A few senior guys left after our duties were revised as they couldn't hack the longer deliveries week in, week out. These were imposed badly in our office and experience often turns into cynicism when morale has been low for years. What hasn't helped are broken promises to try and fix things by bringing in loads of new starters to try and shoulder the burden.

Maybe there are issues of misogyny, racism and homophobia in some offices but it is not this that is driving the new starters away - just read the comments, its low pay and unstable duties with none of the job security or respect that older staff once had. That's more of a management and structural issue rather than a cultural one. Experience isn't the problem - poor management and uneven conditions are.

[Woody84]

IMHO too much experience/length of service can often be a negative thing, especially if “veterans” make up a disproportionately large proportion of the workforce. It means, for example, there is often a resigned negativity about the job and an erroneous viewpoint that the job has gone down the pan; reluctance and pushback against modernising things changing work practices, changing workplace culture, eradicating misogyny, racism, homophobia where those behaviours are taking place, etc, etc.

A few senior guys left after our duties were revised as they couldn't hack the longer deliveries week in, week out. These were imposed badly in our office and experience often turns into cynicism when morale has been low for years. What hasn't helped are broken promises to try and fix things by bringing in loads of new starters to try and shoulder the burden.

Maybe there are issues of misogyny, racism and homophobia in some offices but it is not this that is driving the new starters away - just read the comments, its low pay and unstable duties with none of the job security or respect that older staff once had. That's more of a management and structural issue rather than a cultural one. Experience isn't the problem - poor management and uneven conditions are.

This.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Absolute rubbish, all we are employing now is lazy young workshy woke idiots that have no care for the customer or trying to provide a service

At the large DO I work at the new starts are nearly all over 50s who've had other careers and a vast array of different life experiences beyond RM. We've got a few ex armed forces, an ex teacher, an ex HGV driver, ex engineers, an ex paralegal , recruitment consultant etc etc. I can only think of one youngster and she is definitely not workshy or lazy, you'd probably find her woke though. The only lazy ones I meet are people with 30+ years service who are bitter about modernisation and the end of the 1970s style militant unionised public sector gravy train . Jobs like RM and the railways pre privatisation were great places for the workshy to hide , easy jobs, strong unions and a job for life. At least most of us new contracts have other skills and could get jobs elsewhere. It must be quite depressing for those who have never worked outside of RM and feel institutionalised and scared to go elsewhere now that the jobs no longer easy anymore.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Most of my colleagues are blissfully unaware that there is a two tier workforce. They look at me with disbelief when I tell them that people who have been here since before 2022 get paid more. Its because most staff don't read this forum or Facebook groups so really have no clue about the disgraceful inequality of pay, terms and conditions.