The vote on the USO model

[Acca Dacca]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

[tramssirhc]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

The electronic vote covers parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is voting for whatever changes the CWU wish to make to delivery methods. There is no USO change because it requires legislation to change the USO. The change is to how the USO is delivered, nothing else.

[TopperGas]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

The electronic vote covers parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is voting for whatever changes the CWU wish to make to delivery methods. There is no USO change because it requires legislation to change the USO. The change is to how the USO is delivered, nothing else.

The USO changes.agreed already by OFCOM don't require legislation as 1c items are still going to be delivered daily. I can't see how it can be done office by office as you could have, say, 9 offices in one region agree the changes them the 10th not agree them.

A further point on the voting will it just be delivery staff who get the vote as Fleet, PF, etc, etc are hardly likely to vote against changes which won't effect them to any degree?

[billycat]

As the union hierarchy have said on numerous occasions the majority of change is in delivery so I hope the vote will be for delivery personnel only but we will see.

[Acca Dacca]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

The electronic vote covers parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is voting for whatever changes the CWU wish to make to delivery methods. There is no USO change because it requires legislation to change the USO. The change is to how the USO is delivered, nothing else.

You know what I mean. We are getting a seperate vote later on the change method

[tramssirhc]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

The electronic vote covers parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is voting for whatever changes the CWU wish to make to delivery methods. There is no USO change because it requires legislation to change the USO. The change is to how the USO is delivered, nothing else.

You know what I mean. We are getting a seperate vote later on the change method

There's only the vote now. The CWU cannot be trusted to facilitate another vote at sometime in the future. The executive will simply say members have already agreed to delivery method changes, which in all honesty those voting yes have done.

[tramssirhc]

Ok so as we all know, we have been told we will get a vote on the USO changes further down the line but I have a few questions on this;

Is the vote a collective vote where it’s across the entire membership and if the membership vote majority yes then the changes come in or is it a vote on an office by office basis?

Because it every office doesnt necessarily have the same structure with the same number of Saturdays etc and different ways of working dependant on the nature of the workforce at each individual office ( number of drivers non drivers etc ) how can this be voted on? Could you end up with it being voted in by others in offices that work better than yours does? With more Saturdays off than hours does? Or will it only come into effect if a majority of your own office votes it in?

The electronic vote covers parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is voting for whatever changes the CWU wish to make to delivery methods. There is no USO change because it requires legislation to change the USO. The change is to how the USO is delivered, nothing else.

The USO changes.agreed already by OFCOM don't require legislation as 1c items are still going to be delivered daily. I can't see how it can be done office by office as you could have, say, 9 offices in one region agree the changes them the 10th not agree them.

A further point on the voting will it just be delivery staff who get the vote as Fleet, PF, etc, etc are hardly likely to vote against changes which won't effect them to any degree?

There is no sectional vote. Yes members who are not affected by the delivery method change will be voting electronically and of course they will vote yes as they are not affected. Anyone who thinks the CWU will conduct another vote on delivery method changes is not paying attention to the way the current CWU leadership have conducted themselves just to get to this point. Be it 50 packets an hour Boulch or poverty pleading Walsh to abusive Ferret - the CWU in its current phase is broken.

[Acca Dacca]

How can we vote now when the method hasn’t even been agreed yet and the union are still proposing a new model to the business? I was led to believe we are getting a vote further down the line once the CWU are happy the model works and will be successful. I’m a bit confused now.

[tramssirhc]

How can we vote now when the method hasn’t even been agreed yet and the union are still proposing a new model to the business? I was led to believe we are getting a vote further down the line once the CWU are happy the model works and will be successful. I’m a bit confused now.

Have a look at parts 1 and 2. Anyone voting yes is agreeing to what the CWU call USO change, which it isn't, but in reality is delivery method change. Screenshot this and throw it back in my face when you get another vote on delivery method change.

[Mr Rush]

The USO changes.agreed already by OFCOM don't require legislation as 1c items are still going to be delivered daily.

That isn't USO change. Everyone needs to stop calling it that.

OFCOM, as the regulator, has the power to change the quality of service targets - and it has done so regarding 2C (95% over 3 days can be met even with alternate day delivery). Changing the USO, specifically reducing the number of days of service, continues to be reserved to parliament as the Universal Service Obligation is defined in legislation.

[tramssirhc]

The USO changes.agreed already by OFCOM don't require legislation as 1c items are still going to be delivered daily.

That isn't USO change. Everyone needs to stop calling it that.

OFCOM, as the regulator, has the power to change the quality of service targets - and it has done so regarding 2C (95% over 3 days can be met even with alternate day delivery). Changing the USO, specifically reducing the number of days of service, continues to be reserved to parliament as the Universal Service Obligation is defined in legislation.

Hot take and spot on. It's typical of the CWU to get it wrong. It's deliberate.

[tramssirhc]

Part 2, which the CWU tell members to vote for, contains an agreement with as date that has already been missed. On that alone it has to be no.

"There will be a full national agreement on USO reform. There will be no further
deployment beyond the pilot offices until this agreement is in place. The joint aim is
to agree the national agreement and deployment plan by no later than 18th July 2025".

[Rumple]

We are effectively being asked to vote on something that we(or CWU) don’t know how it will look, other than a shite 3 year pay deal.
Or am I missing something?

[antcpfc]

We were told today that any loops being left must have the first class delivered. Seems they are bringing in the changes anyway

[datasaint]

Why would anybody actively vote for USO change when it's going to mean more work and less jobs?? The whole thing is daft

It should have been linked to a much better pay deal than we have been offered.