Alternative to the ODM

[jessicarabbit]

Hidden in today's CWU live, MW slipped in that they are now actively looking at a different model for USO with updates to follow!

Do they really think after 6 months of planning and shiny new playbooks and booklets telling us what Bob, Evie and Ahmed are going to be doing that RM are suddenly going to say, let's hear about your alternative idea.

I've heard a few at the top and some area reps are privvy to the new idea.....anyone care to share it with us so we can tell you why this won't work either?

[claretandblue]

Hidden in today's CWU live, MW slipped in that they are now actively looking at a different model for USO with updates to follow!

Do they really think after 6 months of planning and shiny new playbooks and booklets telling us what Bob, Evie and Ahmed are going to be doing that RM are suddenly going to say, let's hear about your alternative idea.

I've heard a few at the top and some area reps are privvy to the new idea.....anyone care to share it with us so we can tell you why this won't work either?

All the USO stuff has been taken off the notice board at our DO.

[tramssirhc]

Hidden in today's CWU live, MW slipped in that they are now actively looking at a different model for USO with updates to follow!

Do they really think after 6 months of planning and shiny new playbooks and booklets telling us what Bob, Evie and Ahmed are going to be doing that RM are suddenly going to say, let's hear about your alternative idea.

I've heard a few at the top and some area reps are privvy to the new idea.....anyone care to share it with us so we can tell you why this won't work either?

The electronic only vote covers a section that is on the verge of being superceded by a light and heavy ODM. The CWU couldn't run a bath.

[Mr Rush]

I've heard a few at the top and some area reps are privvy to the new idea.....anyone care to share it with us so we can tell you why this won't work either?

It's not enough to know it. You have to beLIEve it!

[HTPostman]

Yes, I’ve heard a few things. The gist of it as follows:

‘We are delighted to begin a pathway to expand the role of the postal worker via the medium of opportunities presented by EP group and delving deeper into invigorating new approaches to better explore the market. Stakeholders and partners will benefit greatly and developing such markets will result in the knock on effect of increased rewards and trust within the structure of the business both internally and externally which will seek to fulfill the objectives of the service targets, while maintaining a fair and manageable workload within the confines of a new resourcing model. Further information can be found in our 724 page LTB 62/10/22/17/ABC/DOREMI/96644#33’

[TopperGas]

Hidden in today's CWU live, MW slipped in that they are now actively looking at a different model for USO with updates to follow!

Do they really think after 6 months of planning and shiny new playbooks and booklets telling us what Bob, Evie and Ahmed are going to be doing that RM are suddenly going to say, let's hear about your alternative idea.

I've heard a few at the top and some area reps are privvy to the new idea.....anyone care to share it with us so we can tell you why this won't work either?

The electronic only vote covers a section that is on the verge of being superceded by a light and heavy ODM. The CWU couldn't run a bath.

"Light and heavy" was mentioned by Tony Baulch(?) on CWU Live earlier, assuming RM are still sticking to 2c on alternative days it's not clear what he means, hopefully not shorter light days at the start if the week and ridiculously long heavy days at the end of the week?

[Basildon Bond]

Extracting a bit of the transcript in the latest video from the CWU about the trials in summary and the next steps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoQqOnVZRo

It says (roughly, text to speech isn't perfect)...

Michael Walker (Host) interviewing Tony Buch (Assistant Secretary Outdoors)...

Tony Buch (Assistant Secretary Outdoors): So five have been badged as a car crash. There's a number of offices that need more investment more fixes. There's some that are working well but we're concerned that they're only working well because of the surplus staff and those offices are used being utilized to support the duties that are struggling and when that get switches off that will just break those offices. So therefore we've said we've put forward a potentially a heavy and light model which changes the previous Royal Mail design. Um the company have listened to that uh and as at this moment in time this talk scheduled tomorrow and all of next week to try and reach an agreement and further that development from last week.

Michael Walker (Host): And I heard when you were sort of talking to reps earlier there was some discussion about this new model when you try it. Will it be the same USO pilots [offices] or do you think they've already gone through enough and you might try some different delivery offices for the sort of the new model that you're testing out?

Tony Buch (Assistant Secretary Outdoors): Yeah. So, look, the first thing is for all the pilot offices, we've got to fix them. We've got to just make sure it's there and but one of the things and we've touched to some of the reps in the Northwest today. There's three three um of the officers in the Northwest. We've been clear that in some instances they're a little bit about fatigue. There's been the spotlight on them. Um, but we want to give some of them the option and and we're going to discuss that with a company depend on where the talks get take place over the next two weeks.

Michael Walker (Host): Brilliant. Uh, thank you so much.

Tony Buch (Assistant Secretary Outdoors): No worries. Thank you.

So potentially the current trial offices all have to be fixed first and then jump to the newer method of "heavy and light model" or maybe they have to find all new offices as the current ones are too traumatised to be a good place to run yet another change against them.

[CharlesG]

There is some move in pilot offices moving to groups of 6 rather than groups of 4.
In effect this means that on combined duties where only taking parcels you would take two full walks tracked and 1c in groups of 4, and on heavy days you would be tasked to take a full walk and half a walk plus 1c, this is groups of 6.
I would think the light days would be Mon - Tues
Heavy days Weds - Fri

Still ongoing issues with core duties (taking all mail on walk plus parcels) as still struggling with the extra workload plus D2D with only 24 mins added to duty length , the only reasonable way to deal with this is to add additional duties.

And RM potential savings only go lower and lower, as its not the one size fits all 1000+ DOs that they were expecting !

[hans solo]

As the chant goes
You dont know what your doing

[Thommo44]

What are the odds they take the extra Saturday off, off the table? No way are they going to beg you to work your Saturday off in the run up to Christmas just to clear the mess they have created

[jessicarabbit]

We're now back at the stage where actually it's going to save enough just saying Mon-Fri working as normal (cull 2c to finish on time yourself) and only deliver 1c and tracked on Saturday by an OT crew/new contracts/agency

More than enough savings and we all get every Sat off if we want it or do easy parcel OT if we want to boost our income.

[TopperGas]

There is some move in pilot offices moving to groups of 6 rather than groups of 4.
In effect this means that on combined duties where only taking parcels you would take two full walks tracked and 1c in groups of 4, and on heavy days you would be tasked to take a full walk and half a walk plus 1c, this is groups of 6.
I would think the light days would be Mon - Tues
Heavy days Weds - Fri

Still ongoing issues with core duties (taking all mail on walk plus parcels) as still struggling with the extra workload plus D2D with only 24 mins added to duty length , the only reasonable way to deal with this is to add additional duties.

And RM potential savings only go lower and lower, as its not the one size fits all 1000+ DOs that they were expecting !

That's a 50% increase in staff, 4 to 6, for 3 days out of 5 weekdays? It'll also mean staff working odd shift patterns if only 4 staff are required at the start of the week but 6 at the end of the week.

[claretandblue]

Light and heavy sounds like the new core and combined renamed....

[claretandblue]

There is some move in pilot offices moving to groups of 6 rather than groups of 4.
In effect this means that on combined duties where only taking parcels you would take two full walks tracked and 1c in groups of 4, and on heavy days you would be tasked to take a full walk and half a walk plus 1c, this is groups of 6.
I would think the light days would be Mon - Tues
Heavy days Weds - Fri

Still ongoing issues with core duties (taking all mail on walk plus parcels) as still struggling with the extra workload plus D2D with only 24 mins added to duty length , the only reasonable way to deal with this is to add additional duties.

And RM potential savings only go lower and lower, as its not the one size fits all 1000+ DOs that they were expecting !

Sounds similar to what I suggested on another thread.

[buchanpeter]

We're now back at the stage where actually it's going to save enough just saying Mon-Fri working as normal (cull 2c to finish on time yourself) and only deliver 1c and tracked on Saturday by an OT crew/new contracts/agency

More than enough savings and we all get every Sat off if we want it or do easy parcel OT if we want to boost our income.

Always thought they should have started off with Saturdays as parcels only. Just to see how it goes. Then down the line they could maybe add a wednesday to it. U would still have 4 full delivery days. Better than the proposed USO change where in every second week Ur only delivering 2 days full van shares.
Think they're moving way too fast.