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Whats coming in your daily routine

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Subman
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Subman »

When you say rural duties will deliver normal Monday to Friday, do you mean non priority items on alternate days Monday to Friday?
Any idea how exactly rural duties will make up the time for additional Saturdays off, longer later days Monday to Friday?
zz666
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

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Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 19:54
The correct theory is that 3 individuals cover 4 walks Monday to Friday. The CDV pairing will deliver all mail including 1st class, parcels and non priority to two walks.

The singleton van driver will deliver 1st class letters , parcels and tracked to the other 2 walks.

They rotate this pattern Monday to Friday.

On Saturday 2 singleton van routes cover 4 walks delivering 1st class , parcels and tracked.

The above is not applicable to rural duties or Firms only routes who will deliver as normal Monday to Friday. However on a Saturday will only deliver 1st class and parcels which may given rural and firms routes the opportunity to work less Saturdays.


What's your definition of a parcel for singleton duty? Does it include small packets? Or will they be left for the next day?
Martin Walsh
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Martin Walsh »

No 2.0 is not necessary there will be a 1st class and Non priority IPS . There will be colour coding to determine what goes out every day and which walks get all the mail on each day.

It can only work if all duties are resourced each day and reserve levels are back to 1 in 7.

There are a number of reasons why walks cannot clear , sometimes it is the level of vacancies within a unit may mean your getting out to late and therefore the outdoor part is unachievable.

If this is the case part timers will be made up to perform the indoor part and any double prepping which the current full timers currently perform.

If the outdoor part cannot be achieved then there will be investment within the operation as we currently seeing in the pilots.

Ofcom will not agreed to full change unless 1st class has achieved 90% first class letters within the pilots.
Martin Walsh
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Martin Walsh »

Last year Royal Mail delivered 7 billion items not counting D2D , election material.

This was made up of

700 million First class

1.4 billion parcels, tracked and specials.

4.9 Billion Non priority items DSA, 2nd class , economy mail.

There are currently 50,751 walking duties not counting DPR routes and LAT.
HarrySutton111
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by HarrySutton111 »

Any news on hct jobs Martin?
buchanpeter
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by buchanpeter »

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 20:17
No 2.0 is not necessary there will be a 1st class and Non priority IPS . There will be colour coding to determine what goes out every day and which walks get all the mail on each day.

It can only work if all duties are resourced each day and reserve levels are back to 1 in 7.

There are a number of reasons why walks cannot clear , sometimes it is the level of vacancies within a unit may mean your getting out to late and therefore the outdoor part is unachievable.

If this is the case part timers will be made up to perform the indoor part and any double prepping which the current full timers currently perform.

If the outdoor part cannot be achieved then there will be investment within the operation as we currently seeing in the pilots.

Ofcom will not agreed to full change unless 1st class has achieved 90% first class letters within the pilots.
Thank You for your response.
If manangement try to push through Delivery 2.0 can we stop it by contacting the union?
As i'm hearing all our duties would be scrapped and we wont be signed to any duties anymore.
Chelseablue
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Chelseablue »

So the jobs everyone will want if they can are rural and office jobs ? As they wont be affected by these changes?
Perseus
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Perseus »

Martin, I think many people think a version of delivery 2.0 WILL be needed as there can easily be a 50% difference between duties when it comes to volume of parcels and 1st class letters. If you were to start this new way of working in my office tomorrow, Saturday, runs A and B would have about 200 items to deliver (parcels and 1st class letters). Runs C and D would have around 120. That isn't hyperbole, it's facts easily backed up route manifests.
norris9
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by norris9 »

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 20:17
It can only work if all duties are resourced each day and reserve levels are back to 1 in 7.
Not sure I can trust that Royal Mail will commit to resourcing the correct amount of staff. Posties not only leave the company, they can be off sick, they can be suspended from their duty, suspended from driving. How do managers make sure they have cover - will they be able to get in agency workers to cover for any absent postie?

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 20:17
If this is the case part timers will be made up to perform the indoor part and any double prepping which the current full timers currently perform.
What if part timers don't want to be made up.
Mr Rush
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Mr Rush »

OikOik wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 17:27
As a somewhat newbie, I want to know why they can't spread it out better throughout the week.
I was asking that very question this week: Tuesday was dead so we sandbagged it to make it to our time, Wednesday was hammered so we left stuff in. Happens all the time. There's absolutely no impetus on RM's part to do anything about workload, rather they alter hours to fit (drilling out a round hole to fit a square peg). The ultimate endpoint is zero hours.
The machine stops.
Acca Dacca
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Acca Dacca »

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 20:17
No 2.0 is not necessary there will be a 1st class and Non priority IPS . There will be colour coding to determine what goes out every day and which walks get all the mail on each day.

It can only work if all duties are resourced each day and reserve levels are back to 1 in 7.

There are a number of reasons why walks cannot clear , sometimes it is the level of vacancies within a unit may mean your getting out to late and therefore the outdoor part is unachievable.

If this is the case part timers will be made up to perform the indoor part and any double prepping which the current full timers currently perform.

If the outdoor part cannot be achieved then there will be investment within the operation as we currently seeing in the pilots.

Ofcom will not agreed to full change unless 1st class has achieved 90% first class letters within the pilots.
Its not about the times people are getting out in most cases, its the duties were made too large in the last revision based on a much lower call rate when the tracked parcels have increased

Thats beside the point.

Lets say everyone can clear their duty as the call rates are now.

How are we going to be able to clear when the callrate is planned to be going up by 50% without a reduction in delivery points on the walks?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
ted_e_bear
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by ted_e_bear »

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 19:54
The correct theory is that 3 individuals cover 4 walks Monday to Friday. The CDV pairing will deliver all mail including 1st class, parcels and non priority to two walks.

The singleton van driver will deliver 1st class letters , parcels and tracked to the other 2 walks.

They rotate this pattern Monday to Friday.

On Saturday 2 singleton van routes cover 4 walks delivering 1st class , parcels and tracked.

The above is not applicable to rural duties or Firms only routes who will deliver as normal Monday to Friday. However on a Saturday will only deliver 1st class and parcels which may given rural and firms routes the opportunity to work less Saturdays.
I can understand that for firms routes assuming RM want to provide them with a robust service but why rurals ? It's not because it takes the same time to drive round a rural regardless of the mixture of mail or how busy it is, it simply doesn't, we've got some rural duties that can vary by 2 hours between a busy or quiet day so a parcel & 1c day would make an even bigger difference, I suspect it hasn't been thought through very well.
Valentina@1
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by Valentina@1 »

No thought about the customers in all this?…….the days of one postie on same round 5-6 days arriving same times are looking like thing of past.

Sad times 😢
scotchy1962
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

Post by scotchy1962 »

Martin Walsh wrote:
21 Feb 2025, 20:17
No 2.0 is not necessary there will be a 1st class and Non priority IPS . There will be colour coding to determine what goes out every day and which walks get all the mail on each day.

It can only work if all duties are resourced each day and reserve levels are back to 1 in 7.

There are a number of reasons why walks cannot clear , sometimes it is the level of vacancies within a unit may mean your getting out to late and therefore the outdoor part is unachievable.

If this is the case part timers will be made up to perform the indoor part and any double prepping which the current full timers currently perform.

If the outdoor part cannot be achieved then there will be investment within the operation as we currently seeing in the pilots.

Ofcom will not agreed to full change unless 1st class has achieved 90% first class letters within the pilots.
Firstly thanks for coming on here and giving us your opinion.
I worry when you say there are a number of reasons why walks aren't cleared, the main reason is they are too big. You can blame what you want but the fact remains, they are too big.
Yes the indoor workload doesn't help, but getting us out earlier and extending the amount of time on delivery shouldn't be the solution. We aren't machines and, just like sticking lumps of weights on racehorses, we slow down the longer we are out. We will also be more prone to injury and wear and tear.
All these things need to be looked at sensibly not just enforced adhoc.
TopperGas
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Re: Whats coming in your daily routine

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Valentina@1 wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 04:58
No thought about the customers in all this?…….the days of one postie on same round 5-6 days arriving same times are looking like thing of past.

Sad times 😢
RM can't go on losing £300m a year just to try and keep customers happy?