Realistic Timetable for USO change

[Perseus]

The reason that there is nothing for the 3rd person to do on the Saturday is because that is their weekend off. 3 people operating that system will get every third Saturday off.

[oypostie]

I wonder why the original suggestion of walks all being 20% shorter was replaced by postie's working longer days doing the same length duties?

Because they haven't got anybody with a clue on how to revise the duties. Well apart from the posties that is and they wouldn't want to trust them would they

[cwyou]

Imo, it won't happen for a good few years at least

[qwerty2]

Imo, it won't happen for a good few years at least

It’s happening this year or next

[toonshola]

Imo, it won't happen for a good few years at least

lol your going to be in for a shock this summer

[tramssirhc]

Erm… our office is not even on the list of offices that are officially trialing this method

Is that because it’s only a few walks doing it? Do we just not give a flying hoot anymore about the legality of it and Royal Mail will just do what they like regardless?

Wonder how many years it’ll take before we all have to testify to the dodgy goings on by our beloved employers?

Your office is definitely not on the list of 37?

[hewittinspain]

So those that have been there a good few years with good seniority that have their own rural duty for years (and never likely paired up ever) will more than likely have an equally big change to their comfier pattern of work?

[hewittinspain]

I've asked before but does anyone know what will happen to the 3 day off cover staff????

Unfortunately there's no real info about any duty patterns at the moment, what days/hours we work now could all change

Thanks for replying, my friend is very concerned about this.

Depends of how many hours they work? Im guessing if it's 18 hour contract then I'd guess 3 days still but anything over that they can get them in more days, for example a 24hr contract can be 4 days.

[tramssirhc]

So those that have been there a good few years with good seniority that have their own rural duty for years (and never likely paired up ever) will more than likely have an equally big change to their comfier pattern of work?

No. You need to watch what was put out last night. It appears that the penny has dropped that singleton duties such as rural aren't paired up so can't be dropped every other day. Tony Boulch also alluded to the difficulty in dropping these duties on a Saturday as the geographical spread of rural duties means it will be difficult to combine them with another duty. He intimated that rural duties will continue as they are, as will firms duties. This of course is going to alienate yet more CWU members as paired duties watch the singleton duties go largely unaffected by the ODM. He also stated that it's kicked off over non-drivers getting every Saturday off. That was hardly a surprise. The CWU ain't helping itself is it.

[hewittinspain]

So those that have been there a good few years with good seniority that have their own rural duty for years (and never likely paired up ever) will more than likely have an equally big change to their comfier pattern of work?

No. You need to watch what was put out last night. It appears that the penny has dropped that singleton duties such as rural aren't paired up so can't be dropped every other day. Tony Boulch also alluded to the difficulty in dropping these duties on a Saturday as the geographical spread of rural duties means it will be difficult to combine them with another duty. He intimated that rural duties will continue as they are, as will firms duties. This of course is going to alienate yet more CWU members as paired duties watch the singleton duties go largely unaffected by the ODM. He also stated that it's kicked off over non-drivers getting every Saturday off. That was hardly a surprise. The CWU ain't helping itself is it.

What is stopping someone not wanting to drive anymore? I've seen it happen in our office where a driver lost confidence and they did permanently take him off driving. Is non drivers can get every Saturday off then what is stopping a handful of people saying the same thing? It does stink that non drivers seem to get a better deal and by that I mean they never get pulled about the driver safety etc. There are 4 in my office who have not been in the job 5 years and have been employed by word of mouth or manager's mates.

[tramssirhc]

So those that have been there a good few years with good seniority that have their own rural duty for years (and never likely paired up ever) will more than likely have an equally big change to their comfier pattern of work?

No. You need to watch what was put out last night. It appears that the penny has dropped that singleton duties such as rural aren't paired up so can't be dropped every other day. Tony Boulch also alluded to the difficulty in dropping these duties on a Saturday as the geographical spread of rural duties means it will be difficult to combine them with another duty. He intimated that rural duties will continue as they are, as will firms duties. This of course is going to alienate yet more CWU members as paired duties watch the singleton duties go largely unaffected by the ODM. He also stated that it's kicked off over non-drivers getting every Saturday off. That was hardly a surprise. The CWU ain't helping itself is it.

What is stopping someone not wanting to drive anymore? I've seen it happen in our office where a driver lost confidence and they did permanently take him off driving. Is non drivers can get every Saturday off then what is stopping a handful of people saying the same thing? It does stink that non drivers seem to get a better deal and by that I mean they never get pulled about the driver safety etc. There are 4 in my office who have not been in the job 5 years and have been employed by word of mouth or manager's mates.

Anyone employed prior to the 2010 Business Transformation Agreement does not have to undertake driving duties. Where a reasonable adjustment is being made that's fair enough. Anyone employed after the 2010 agreement is contractually obliged to undertake driving duties.

[Acca Dacca]

Yeah you need to understand theres a difference between those employed when there wasnt a requirement to drive - there were in fact very few actual driving jobs - and those employed with the requirement who have since come off the driving for whatever reason

Royal Mail changed the job after we were employed. Its not the non drivers fault they did. We took the job because there was no requirement to drive.

[michael147]

This is something that has been mentioned in my office and is pertinent to others.
Some of our rurals take a large amount of time to drive round even only doing the first class, tracked and specials.
Some spend an hour a day driving to the first delivery point and back.
Such duties will not be able to cover two duties.

[Jen1]

Erm… our office is not even on the list of offices that are officially trialing this method

Is that because it’s only a few walks doing it? Do we just not give a flying hoot anymore about the legality of it and Royal Mail will just do what they like regardless?

Wonder how many years it’ll take before we all have to testify to the dodgy goings on by our beloved employers?

Your office is definitely not on the list of 37?

Nope not on that list to be fair if any of our duties are receiving post every other day it will be an improvement on the current situation

Ah well back to work on Monday I’ll see how it’s all going then

[yellowbelly]

This is something that has been mentioned in my office and is pertinent to others.
Some of our rurals take a large amount of time to drive round even only doing the first class, tracked and specials.
Some spend an hour a day driving to the first delivery point and back.
Such duties will not be able to cover two duties.

The briefing that TB gave said that it's not a one size fits all offices.

Each duty will be looked at with the due care and attention
that RM always give to ensure that it runs efficiently......