“Newbies” v “Legacy”

[ted_e_bear]

Hmmm Smooth, how exactly do you figure this one out, what parameters do you use to measure how much harder the newbies work or you in particular work than legacy posties. By the way i hate the whole"Legacy" thing as you are all posties.
Your need to create a divide because you have a bugbear with posties is a concern, i understand why you believe it, but seeing as how most of your gripes are things outside the control of normal posties, i don't know what you want them to do.
In delivery you all do essentially the same job, how you go about it, what training you get etc etc all varies office to office and what you experience has always gone on from long before your time. So you aren't really treated different it just feels like it to you.
I know you will continue on your quest to bash posties/union every chance you get and under the guise of being a newbie use it to push your agenda, says more about you than it does about the rest of them.

I use the “outdoor span” as the primary parameter to measure how much harder the newbies work. Whereas lots of staff, both legacy-contract and new-entrant colleagues, have the luxury of spending a large proportion of their shift time doing indoor, less arduous and less physical work, then doing a four-hour or so at most delivery, most 40-hr new entrants are doing seven hours or more of outdoor work each day.

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Iirc from smoothies previous posts they're getting them to start late with a duty fully prepared so zero to minimal prep time then after that getting them to deliver more which possibly would be ok and a good idea if the additional work was something like collections, parcels/LAT's but if it's walking mail delivery then that's obviously shite.

[Smoothbackground]

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Their start time aligns with the end of break time for legacy staff. They clock in, grab a PDA, spend 10 minutes getting the reg, labels, keys etc, and then they’re off out on delivery within 20 minutes max of arriving, the van having already been loaded before break by their “early-starter” partner. They then come back at or about what is finish time for legacy staff, have a 20-minute break, then they go back out to do a second run as previously described.

[TopperGas]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

[A2B]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

Stand to be corrected but it's unlike any office near me

[Jb1969]

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Their start time aligns with the end of break time for legacy staff. They clock in, grab a PDA, spend 10 minutes getting the reg, labels, keys etc, and then they’re off out on delivery within 20 minutes max of arriving, the van having already been loaded before break by their “early-starter” partner. They then come back at or about what is finish time for legacy staff, have a 20-minute break, then they go back out to do a second run as previously described.

Hope the new knees work out for you at 45 & the hips at 50!
Think the words “work til you drop” are adequate.

[Mr Rush]

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Possibly this from 'Delivery Method Constraints on Span' (2012):

Delivery Method: Vehicle (Rural/Bulk), Max Delivery Span (Hrs) 7.5, Notes: Effectively this is a full duty when travel is included.

[TopperGas]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

Stand to be corrected but it's unlike any office near me

On second reading it sounds like a van share, rather than a singleton duty?

[A2B]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

Stand to be corrected but it's unlike any office near me

On second reading it sounds like a van share, rather than a singleton duty?

Their partner would have to left to get on with it even with overtime, all FT staff at ours are either on IPS/parcels or prepping walks for PT staff

[jagger]

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Their start time aligns with the end of break time for legacy staff. They clock in, grab a PDA, spend 10 minutes getting the reg, labels, keys etc, and then they’re off out on delivery within 20 minutes max of arriving, the van having already been loaded before break by their “early-starter” partner. They then come back at or about what is finish time for legacy staff, have a 20-minute break, then they go back out to do a second run as previously described.

Ok, cheers.
Don’t have anything like that at our office.

[Smoothbackground]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

That is how it’s supposed to work when you are filling in for one half of a paired duty as the non-driving person, That said, it is not an uncommon occurrence to come in to discover the walk hasn’t even been fully prepped or tied up, let alone loaded loaded, or that despite the planning you now need to finish prepping the duty and belatedly go out on your own with tracked from both sides, specials, boxes, CCs, triple mail for the side you’re taking out, etc, etc

[ted_e_bear]

How can someone on an eight hour shift be doing seven or more hours outdoors?

Their start time aligns with the end of break time for legacy staff. They clock in, grab a PDA, spend 10 minutes getting the reg, labels, keys etc, and then they’re off out on delivery within 20 minutes max of arriving, the van having already been loaded before break by their “early-starter” partner. They then come back at or about what is finish time for legacy staff, have a 20-minute break, then they go back out to do a second run as previously described.

Ah that's what I tried to outline on my post, I thought that's what you'd explained on a previous occasion, it demonstrates your management are surprisingly for RM, capable of managing, however if they're expecting/planning almost full shifts of walking mail delivery then that stinks it's too much.

[Smoothbackground]

Ah that's what I tried to outline on my post, I thought that's what you'd explained on a previous occasion, it demonstrates your management are surprisingly for RM, capable of managing, however if they're expecting/planning almost full shifts of walking mail delivery then that stinks it's too much.

So you did. Sorry, I hadn’t spotted your earlier post, but you did sum it up correctly.

Yes, indeed! Our lead COM is ex military and tries to run a tight ship, though — as we all know — the best laid plans often go awry, especially in Royal Mail, and often it doesn’t go at all to plan. Like I think I have said elsewhere, we also regularly have scenarios where someone comes in to find nothing prepped, and so they are then hastily moved over to something that is ready to go out, or sometimes they might have to prep it, meaning they get to enjoy a bit of time indoors.

[TopperGas]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

That is how it’s supposed to work when you are filling in for one half of a paired duty as the non-driving person, That said, it is not an uncommon occurrence to come in to discover the walk hasn’t even been fully prepped or tied up, let alone loaded loaded, or that despite the planning you now need to finish prepping the duty and belatedly go out on your own with tracked from both sides, specials, boxes, CCs, triple mail for the side you’re taking out, etc, etc

That now seems the norm in understaffed RM DO's, although there's no way of delivering over 200 Tracked etc and also triple mail, unless you are prepared to go over by a couple of hours to deliver the mail, the 1c's are now the real killers, as suddenly there's an extra 50+ items joining the Tracked as requiring priority.

[SpacePhoenix]

Are vans really fully loaded, as I find it hard to imagine that everybody loads a van the same way for each duty?

That is how it’s supposed to work when you are filling in for one half of a paired duty as the non-driving person, That said, it is not an uncommon occurrence to come in to discover the walk hasn’t even been fully prepped or tied up, let alone loaded loaded, or that despite the planning you now need to finish prepping the duty and belatedly go out on your own with tracked from both sides, specials, boxes, CCs, triple mail for the side you’re taking out, etc, etc

That now seems the norm in understaffed RM DO's, although there's no way of delivering over 200 Tracked etc and also triple mail, unless you are prepared to go over by a couple of hours to deliver the mail, the 1c's are now the real killers, as suddenly there's an extra 50+ items joining the Tracked as requiring priority.

Wonder what RM's plan is for the 2C when it gets held up in DOs and ends up effectively becoming 1C in the end or fails the USO.

[RuralVan]

Spacephoenix a question.

Why are we recently getting 2nd class letters in a morning at our DO date stamped 3 days ago?