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Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Perseus
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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tramssirhc wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 20:52
TopperGas wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 19:36
Perseus wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 18:15
I've no idea how the Saturday shift rotations are supposed to work unless you have practically every member of staff driving.

We've been told it will be something like Driver, Driver, Non Driver, covering duties A B C D.

Doesn't look like any Saturdays off for anyone?
Martin Walsh claims they'll be used as "van assistants" on Saturday's!!
When did Martin Walsh say that? Had he written it down anywhere?
It's on the facebook post from a few days ago, when asked what Saturday work there will be for staff who don't drive for RM.

Martin Walsh Cwu
First class parcels , tracked as a van assistant. Indoor work will be a mixture of IPS, Prep and advanced work for Monday.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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TopperGas wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 19:36
Martin Walsh claims they'll be used as "van assistants" on Saturday's!!
I'm going to take this vague job title and profer a job description: I'll be happy to come in on a Saturday and valet the van. Obviously that won't be possible while the van is out on delivery so it'll have to be before. I'm thinking 6AM to noon attendance! :hmmmm
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 02:28
Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Hmm the suggestion of assigning a "van assistant" to help out with duties that have too many parcels is like admitting the plan won't work before it's even begun, not a good start imo, yes I get it something had to be dreamt up for non drivers on Saturdays but this isn't the answer, let's instead concentrate on planning manageable workloads for one person to do in the most economical way ie on their own rather than do the usual stick a plaster on the issue and hope it goes away approach,
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 02:28
Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
So they will be made to work Saturdays and found something to do ? No actual duty content ?
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 02:28
Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Martin, do you ever stop and think before you say something? You've had media training and they teach you how to handle social media. f***ing "van assistant'- are you taking the piss? Your words have serious implications. What next? The CWU are supporting the recruitment of 'van assistants' who will be on even worse terms and conditions. Pack it in Martin. We're in the s**t in the real world and your not helping.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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You just know that managements lapdog will get a van assistant :no no
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Perseus wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 21:16
tramssirhc wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 20:52
TopperGas wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 19:36
Perseus wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 18:15
I've no idea how the Saturday shift rotations are supposed to work unless you have practically every member of staff driving.

We've been told it will be something like Driver, Driver, Non Driver, covering duties A B C D.

Doesn't look like any Saturdays off for anyone?
Martin Walsh claims they'll be used as "van assistants" on Saturday's!!
When did Martin Walsh say that? Had he written it down anywhere?
It's on the facebook post from a few days ago, when asked what Saturday work there will be for staff who don't drive for RM.

Martin Walsh Cwu
First class parcels , tracked as a van assistant. Indoor work will be a mixture of IPS, Prep and advanced work for Monday.
Thank you for sharing that. It's a f***ing disgrace and I've told him that too. We've got enough s**t to deal with without this sort of nonsense.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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claretandblue wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 06:57
You just know that managements lapdog will get a van assistant :no no
Is it some sort of 'blue skies thinking', you know just putting it out there in the biscuit break? They've obviously synergised this 'van assistant'. Absolute piss take.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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ted_e_bear wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 06:08
Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 02:28
Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Hmm the suggestion of assigning a "van assistant" to help out with duties that have too many parcels is like admitting the plan won't work before it's even begun, not a good start imo, yes I get it something had to be dreamt up for non drivers on Saturdays but this isn't the answer, let's instead concentrate on planning manageable workloads for one person to do in the most economical way ie on their own rather than do the usual stick a plaster on the issue and hope it goes away approach,
Let's call it what it is - a van share because we all know it's not going to work.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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tramssirhc wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 07:00
claretandblue wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 06:57
You just know that managements lapdog will get a van assistant :no no
Is it some sort of 'blue skies thinking', you know just putting it out there in the biscuit break? They've obviously synergised this 'van assistant'. Absolute piss take.
They've had to come up with something as they knew that there would have been uproar if non drivers got every Saturday off. Same as them quietly dropping the "walks would be made 20% smaller" to accommodate an increase in call rate.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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claretandblue wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 07:06
tramssirhc wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 07:00
claretandblue wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 06:57
You just know that managements lapdog will get a van assistant :no no
Is it some sort of 'blue skies thinking', you know just putting it out there in the biscuit break? They've obviously synergised this 'van assistant'. Absolute piss take.
They've had to come up with something as they knew that there would have been uproar if non drivers got every Saturday off. Same as them quietly dropping the "walks would be made 20% smaller" to accommodate an increase in call rate.
There is uproar. Everyone's sick to death of the nonsense. It's 50% less duties on a Saturday and there's no rotation that can be invented to create 50% more Saturdays off.
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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The majority of Delivery OPGs already drive. This is due to a combination of every who joined after 2010 as within their contract of employment an obligation to drive and the introduction of CDV van sharing from 2009.

The modelling shows that parcel drop rates increase from Wednesday to Saturday where it peaks.

Whilst the 1st class rates are circa 20% , the number of parcels and tracked will potential mean a singleton van will have a partner on a Saturday to assist the delivery of parcels for two routes.

Non drivers will also have indoor work which will be scheduled into their duty the Saturdays they will work.

Contrary to a lot of negative quotes on here , the actual sites where the pilot is being deployed are largely positive with what they are going to pilot.

However let’s be honest Holland , Germany and Denmark have all recently announced they are either cutting jobs or reducing the service due to letter decline and a very competitive parcel market.

Ofcom no friend to working people have said the current USO is financially unsustainable and have proposed to reduce it.

There is going to be change.it is therefore sensible that we pilot it in the units agreed to see the impact and benefits.

If they are good then we will reach an agreement on it , if not then we will not and no Labour Government is going to allow Royal Mail to impose a USO change.

It also important that you listen to the truth about what is happening in the Pilot sites all be it only Newton Mearns have currently gone live.

As someone who has posted on this site for over 20 years I will keep informing members wherever I can despite some of the comments by posters including political organisations who oppose every single thing but have never had an answer other than call for a rank and file movement which I have heard for 40 years.

The CWU has to protect 90 thousand members from what is going to happen from July with the
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Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 07:38
.................

The CWU has to protect 90 thousand members from what is going to happen from July with the
What's happening from July?..............
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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yellowbelly wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 08:41
Martin Walsh wrote:
07 Mar 2025, 07:38
.................

The CWU has to protect 90 thousand members from what is going to happen from July with the
What's happening from July?..............
this is when the way of working will change