But I've also had overtime missing in months when I have never left early including working double shifts at Christmas. One occasion I worked until 9pm and was told to be back in by 6am the following morning. Thats illegal under working time regs by the way.
Postal service has an exemption at xmas like police, fire brigade, medical staff etc
At RM the exemption is the duration of xmas pressure.
7 day working rules etc do not apply during this time.
But I've also had overtime missing in months when I have never left early including working double shifts at Christmas. One occasion I worked until 9pm and was told to be back in by 6am the following morning. Thats illegal under working time regs by the way.
Postal service has an exemption at xmas like police, fire brigade, medical staff etc
At RM the exemption is the duration of xmas pressure.
7 day working rules etc do not apply during this time.
You're channeling you're inner Terry or Dave quoting us as the 4th Emergency Service there!
Technically you're correct - 'continuity of service' and all that, but I'd suggest a manager who insists on somebody being back in after only nine hours away from the workplace needs to manage their resources better.
I'm trying to figure out why my overtime on my payslip is almost always less than I worked. This month its down by 8 hours. However, this month has been unusual in that I've had some very quiet days where I've signed out early rather than sitting around killing time until my shift time is up.
Do the payroll people use SISO data to deduct from your claimed overtime for days when you went home early?
What makes you so special to leave earlier than anyone else? We all want to go home and if your clocking out early and getting pay deducted it's your own fault. I hate sitting around especially when there are no door to doors to prep but we all have to do it.
Sorry for the harsh post but no one should go early on their own accord and expect to be paid.
OP (as it stands) hasn't been paid OT they are due. It's up to managers to allocate work for those who finish their duty before their official duty time. If they don't that's their incompetence. There's no RM wide declaration (yet) AFAIK that completing your work before your contracted hours, not being allocated work and then leaving work results in OT earned at another point results in OT not being paid. What do you suggest the clawback time scale is? A week, 2 weeks, a month?
If you are seriously sat at your frame/in the canteen waiting for your finish time/because your manager is being a jobsworth, that is just and beyond parody and all common sense.
Nobody clocks out early in our DO, why would you as you just know sooner or later you'll be having extra delivery points added to your duty?
We're not school kids who have to be told when we can go home by a teacher
That certainly seems to be the company's relationship with its employees. This used to be a highly autonomous job with significant leeway in managing your own work which has instead given way to piss-poor micromanagement. Look at the latest safety briefing - someone wearing earphones got attacked by a dog so now everyone has to trudge round in silence. The flashbacks to school would be complete if they prefaced the briefing with 'a small minority has ruined it for everyone'.
What you input on the 552 form and what your manager decides to pay you can be wildly different things unfortunately. It's basically the only reason they brought in monthly pay a couple of years ago.
So they are deliberately defrauding the postman.
Take notes of agreed overtime and put a grievance in if you have to.
Pictures of dockets you may have filled out or even ask for SISO data if your hours are way out to prove it.
They have to keep copies of the 552s so don't just leave it.
Doing an afternoon parcel shift in a small DO and the place is deserted by the time you get back because everyone else goes home before 3pm. You really think I should sit there on my own in silence in an empty building waiting for my sign out time? I did the maths and I have earned below the national minimum wage this month. I'll park up in a supermarket carpark next time and take a paid meal break instead of coming back early. If I get conducted I'll ask them why they broke the law paying me less than minimum wage this month.
But I've also had overtime missing in months when I have never left early including working double shifts at Christmas. One occasion I worked until 9pm and was told to be back in by 6am the following morning. Thats illegal under working time regs by the way.
Of the 10 people I started with 7 have already handed in their notice and gone elsewhere. All cited unreasonable workloads as their reason for leaving.
Sadly many colleagues forget its managers and the company they should be fighting against not other OPGs
They can't deduct basic hours off you for clocking out early.
Scan to pay isn't in yet.
If they are using this as a reason that your overtime is down, challenge it.
And if your managers are not in the office either?
Doesn't matter if he's not on the same continent, fraud is fraud.
Why do you think RM spent/wasted so much money on SISO?
Concur with your SISO comment Tman - no doubt it'll be set in stone eventually. Until then I'll carry on doing what I'm doing as will thousands of others.
If RM want to bring a charge of Fraud by abuse of position and me making a gain by keeping the payment for contracted hours that they didn't/couldn't provide me with work, so be it. No doubt it'd cost them a hell of a lot more than the 6/7 quid or whatever it is for the 30 mins I've not been provided with work.
It's a little more fundamental than that though.
As anyone who's ever punched the clock will tell you, you clock in and back out at the start and finish of your duty.
If you think there's any chance of beating the "charge" by saying there was no work then you must be naive, as the manager will just say" I never said he could go early, and if he'd asked I would have found him something to do".
If RM was happy that employees could still do Job and Knock there'd be no SISO needed.
It's a little more fundamental than that though.
As anyone who's ever punched the clock will tell you, you clock in and back out at the start and finish of your duty.
If you think there's any chance of beating the "charge" by saying there was no work then you must be naive, as the manager will just say" I never said he could go early, and if he'd asked I would have found him something to do".
If RM was happy that employees could still do Job and Knock there'd be no SISO needed.
Of course RM are not happy, but as it stands 'SISO' - 'paid for what you work' has not yet been set in stone. When it is, bring it on, I'll be more than happy.
On the other side of the coin it might stop people coming in early and working for free too.
But as as I said, as the current workplace practices stand enabled by local management, I'll await their charge for fraud.....
Never mind from one office to another, within each office there are huge variances with regards to SISO rules/etiquette.
The software they used for it was an off the shelf heavily flawed add on for PDA frontline, which probably cost nothing, and it spooked many people into changing how they worked. Who knows, maybe the new owners will bring in proper SISO machines with fingerprint, or pincode, linked to pay in the future.
Even then, I'd imagine some to still look for a way round it.
It's a little more fundamental than that though.
As anyone who's ever punched the clock will tell you, you clock in and back out at the start and finish of your duty.
If you think there's any chance of beating the "charge" by saying there was no work then you must be naive, as the manager will just say" I never said he could go early, and if he'd asked I would have found him something to do".
If RM was happy that employees could still do Job and Knock there'd be no SISO needed.
Of course RM are not happy, but as it stands 'SISO' - 'paid for what you work' has not yet been set in stone. When it is, bring it on, I'll be more than happy.
On the other side of the coin it might stop people coming in early and working for free too.
Not a chance. We have been made to clock out on time for years now and people still come in 45 minutes early. Now they rush around to get back early for activities in the canteen that have been set up to fill this waiting time at the end of the day.
It's a little more fundamental than that though.
As anyone who's ever punched the clock will tell you, you clock in and back out at the start and finish of your duty.
If you think there's any chance of beating the "charge" by saying there was no work then you must be naive, as the manager will just say" I never said he could go early, and if he'd asked I would have found him something to do".
If RM was happy that employees could still do Job and Knock there'd be no SISO needed.
Of course RM are not happy, but as it stands 'SISO' - 'paid for what you work' has not yet been set in stone. When it is, bring it on, I'll be more than happy.
On the other side of the coin it might stop people coming in early and working for free too.
Not a chance. We have been made to clock out on time for years now and people still come in 45 minutes early. Now they rush around to get back early for activities in the canteen that have been set up to fill this waiting time at the end of the day.
What are these activities in the canteen ? Do you have weekly bingo or a quiz ?
and beyond parody and all common sense.
