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CWU Live at 5pm: Join Us for a Live Update on USO Trails

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Pidleypoo
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clashcityrocker wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:30
Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:05

It’s not in my contract and I can’t be forced to work past my contracted hours.
It's not currently in our contract. That could change.
It wouldn't be illegal.
So I was correct.

The illegal part is making people do overtime ( commit to deliver ) outside of that contract.

Again to change that the union would have to agree.

I know Martin Walsh comes on here so let him answer if that’s on the table.

If it is then that will be the last straw for what remains of anyone supporting the union.

Think about what commit to deliver really means.
clashcityrocker
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 21:02

So I was correct.
No you weren't.
You said it won't happen because it is illegal.
It could happen because it isn't illegal.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Hyrrokkin
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Post by Hyrrokkin »

clashcityrocker wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:30
Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:05

It’s not in my contract and I can’t be forced to work past my contracted hours.
It's not currently in our contract. That could change.
It wouldn't be illegal.
It might not be illegal but as has been clearly said it is not in OUR contract.
The CWU would have to agree and put that to a vote (which they would clearly lose hands down)
It would also be the end of the CWU if they agreed to such terms (even they would not be stupid enough to agree to that)
adamanti
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Post by adamanti »

Commit to deliver would be a huge step backwards for not only ourselves as employees but also our human rights....
I would say to our Union look to UPS and their latest deal where enforced overtime has been ended. Why, because they believe everyone should have the right to finish at their contracted finish time. Still waiting for Martin Walsh to come on here and put the whole commit to deliver thing to bed. I agree with an earlier comment that if not the Union will face a no vote.......
Valentina@1
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Post by Valentina@1 »

“Company wanted us to agree commit to deliver 2 hours past your finish times….but guess what guys,we managed to get them down to 1 hour 30 mins”😂😂😂😂😂😂

MW statement incoming…..
Valentina@1
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Post by Valentina@1 »

Working rest day in London clears around £70…thats gotta be below minimum wage for a days pay surely.

Sad times 😢
norris9
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Post by norris9 »

How is Royal Mail going to make sure they have staff to cover our days off, annual leave and sickness?...

This is imperative with the new USO with 2nd Class mail only going out every other day as it will pile up quickly and be hard to recover from. You can't have posties coming in on a 1st Class/Parcels day and being told to take out the 2nd class mail from the previous day.

If a 2nd class mail round doesn't go out on the day it's supposed to, what happens? or will Royal Mail make sure this virtually never happens?

Is every office going to have excess staff? does every office have a reliable set of agencies they can call upon to get agency workers to come in and cover? Is Royal Mail going to employ staff on some sort of zero hours contract who are on call to cover sickness?
Valentina@1
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Post by Valentina@1 »

RM basically doing as they please now,not covering rest days etc….imagine what they’ll do once this USO is relaxed,basically gonna do as they please,with little to no push back from CWU 💯.

Sad times 😢
kazardaimenu
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Post by kazardaimenu »

Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 21:02
clashcityrocker wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:30
Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:05

It’s not in my contract and I can’t be forced to work past my contracted hours.
It's not currently in our contract. That could change.
It wouldn't be illegal.
So I was correct.

The illegal part is making people do overtime ( commit to deliver ) outside of that contract.

Again to change that the union would have to agree.

I know Martin Walsh comes on here so let him answer if that’s on the table.

If it is then that will be the last straw for what remains of anyone supporting the union.

Think about what commit to deliver really means.
Well exactly. They’d have us deliver double or triple mail on duties that are already too large just so they can pocket the profits.
kazardaimenu
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Post by kazardaimenu »

Hyrrokkin wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 21:28
clashcityrocker wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:30
Pidleypoo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:05

It’s not in my contract and I can’t be forced to work past my contracted hours.
It's not currently in our contract. That could change.
It wouldn't be illegal.
It might not be illegal but as has been clearly said it is not in OUR contract.
The CWU would have to agree and put that to a vote (which they would clearly lose hands down)
It would also be the end of the CWU if they agreed to such terms (even they would not be stupid enough to agree to that)
They would offer up a 2% back pay lumper bribe to push it though in October time. Sneaky tactics but many will fall for it.
kazardaimenu
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Post by kazardaimenu »

Valentina@1 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 05:27
Working rest day in London clears around £70…thats gotta be below minimum wage for a days pay surely.

Sad times 😢
That’s gotta be after it’s been taxed to bits right?
SMS1969
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Post by SMS1969 »

kazardaimenu wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:58
Valentina@1 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 05:27
Working rest day in London clears around £70…thats gotta be below minimum wage for a days pay surely.

Sad times 😢
That’s gotta be after it’s been taxed to bits right?
Yes it’s after all the deductions, you get around £70.
postslippete
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Post by postslippete »

norris9 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:29
How is Royal Mail going to make sure they have staff to cover our days off, annual leave and sickness?...

This is imperative with the new USO with 2nd Class mail only going out every other day as it will pile up quickly and be hard to recover from. You can't have posties coming in on a 1st Class/Parcels day and being told to take out the 2nd class mail from the previous day.

If a 2nd class mail round doesn't go out on the day it's supposed to, what happens? or will Royal Mail make sure this virtually never happens?

Is every office going to have excess staff? does every office have a reliable set of agencies they can call upon to get agency workers to come in and cover? Is Royal Mail going to employ staff on some sort of zero hours contract who are on call to cover sickness?

This is what will happen noris. Managers will rely on their brown noser's to help them out and work their days off to get work covered. But they will only come in and work it if they are delivering the 1c and parcels NOT the 2nd class mail that should have gone out the previous day. That will either be lumbered with someone else or as a last resort they will ring the agency to clear it, especially if it's just mail. There is an additional option on the PDA when you sign out that says - agency.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
hans solo
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Post by hans solo »

Should all sign out as agency they get paid more
TopperGas
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Post by TopperGas »

postslippete wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 09:38
norris9 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:29
How is Royal Mail going to make sure they have staff to cover our days off, annual leave and sickness?...

This is imperative with the new USO with 2nd Class mail only going out every other day as it will pile up quickly and be hard to recover from. You can't have posties coming in on a 1st Class/Parcels day and being told to take out the 2nd class mail from the previous day.

If a 2nd class mail round doesn't go out on the day it's supposed to, what happens? or will Royal Mail make sure this virtually never happens?

Is every office going to have excess staff? does every office have a reliable set of agencies they can call upon to get agency workers to come in and cover? Is Royal Mail going to employ staff on some sort of zero hours contract who are on call to cover sickness?

This is what will happen noris. Managers will rely on their brown noser's to help them out and work their days off to get work covered. But they will only come in and work it if they are delivering the 1c and parcels NOT the 2nd class mail that should have gone out the previous day. That will either be lumbered with someone else or as a last resort they will ring the agency to clear it, especially if it's just mail. There is an additional option on the PDA when you sign out that says - agency.
Won't the same apply to agency staff as they'll soon realise they are expected to deliver 2 or more days mail and so choose an easier job elsewhere?