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USO & takeover bid.

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Sean06
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Barnacle wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 22:21
The only people who believe the ‘brink of administration’ story are the union leadership. Every time one of them repeats it as a justification for fluffing the negotiations, I cringe.
So 1st of are you a rep?are you still in union? Why cringe just imagine rm without a union?
Valentina@1
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Barnacle wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 22:21
The only people who believe the ‘brink of administration’ story are the union leadership. Every time one of them repeats it as a justification for fluffing the negotiations, I cringe.
My thoughts exactly
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This union leadership has completely messed this up,Royal Mail have out smarted them so easily,I bet they can’t believe their luck,basically laughing at them.

Sad times 😢
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A2B wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 19:44
Nobody starting with RM now will ever get close to 10 years service let alone 30/40.

Staff turnover is being built into our way of working, RM don't want a settled workforce they want people desperate to please their employer
100% correct.
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Valentina@1 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 05:52
This union leadership has completely messed this up,Royal Mail have out smarted them so easily,I bet they can’t believe their luck,basically laughing at them.

Sad times 😢
They didn't mess up and they weren’t outsmarted ,they performed their role perfectly. The workforce were shafted.
Bye
Sean06
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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BELIAL wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:57
Valentina@1 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 05:52
This union leadership has completely messed this up,Royal Mail have out smarted them so easily,I bet they can’t believe their luck,basically laughing at them.

Sad times 😢
They didn't mess up and they weren’t outsmarted ,they performed their role perfectly. The workforce were shafted.
Who voted the deal in???ahh the workforce.
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Sean06 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 22:23
BELIAL wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 20:57
Valentina@1 wrote:
02 Nov 2024, 05:52
This union leadership has completely messed this up,Royal Mail have out smarted them so easily,I bet they can’t believe their luck,basically laughing at them.

Sad times 😢
They didn't mess up and they weren’t outsmarted ,they performed their role perfectly. The workforce were shafted.
Who voted the deal in???ahh the workforce.
Who sold deliveries down the river? ahh the union.

The shower of s**t deal should never have been agreed in the first place
Valentina@1
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Rommagic
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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DK buying a football stadium in the news.
Barnacle
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Rommagic wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 17:16
DK buying a football stadium in the news.
Which news has that story?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Barnacle
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Sean06 wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 23:29
Barnacle wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 22:21
The only people who believe the ‘brink of administration’ story are the union leadership. Every time one of them repeats it as a justification for fluffing the negotiations, I cringe.
So 1st of are you a rep?are you still in union? Why cringe just imagine rm without a union?
My dissatisfaction is with the leadership- I fully believe in the need for a union and of course I am a member and wouldn’t cancel my membership just because I find some things irritating. Things would be a lot worse without the union.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Barnacle wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:23
Rommagic wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 17:16
DK buying a football stadium in the news.
Which news has that story?
There was a story that he is funding a new 35 000 seater stadium for Sparta Prague (about 150 million) but I can't find it.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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clashcityrocker wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:30
Barnacle wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:23
Rommagic wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 17:16
DK buying a football stadium in the news.
Which news has that story?
There was a story that he is funding a new 35 000 seater stadium for Sparta Prague (about 150 million) but I can't find it.
Here's a couple I've found

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... -in-prague

https://www.claretandhugh.info/kretinsk ... 5-million/
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Barnacle
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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ted_e_bear wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:40
clashcityrocker wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:30
Barnacle wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 18:23
Rommagic wrote:
04 Nov 2024, 17:16
DK buying a football stadium in the news.
Which news has that story?
There was a story that he is funding a new 35 000 seater stadium for Sparta Prague (about 150 million) but I can't find it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... -in-prague

https://www.claretandhugh.info/kretinsk ... 5-million/
That’s a lot of money he’s throwing about. Hopefully he’ll get fed up of all the hassle involved with RM and move on 😁
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: USO & takeover bid.

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Martin Walsh wrote:
01 Nov 2024, 15:04
I do not patronise members. I regularly visit offices across the UK and talks to members and hold meetings with them.

Virtually everywhere I go our members are happy to discuss their concerns and we have sensible conversation.

Unlike on social media where individuals want to be rude and make accusations.

For the record the agreement was not by any way perfect but let’s be crystal clear if there was no agreement and we carried on striking we would have tipped the company into administration.

The Government would have protected the USO which is 14% of what is currently delivered and processed today. All the rest of the mail DSA, Parcels tracked and specials the government could not touch as they could not use state money to fund a private company or every parcel company would have run to the high court.

Truth was we would have lost 30 thousand jobs overnight at statuary redundancy pay and that would have been the start of the job losses not the end of it.

The truth is Royal Mail was not going to be signed of by the analysts as a going concern unless there was a business plan. That business plan was either the agreement with the benefits ie pay and which reduced the impact on start times or it was an imposed business plan.

Royal Mail had served notice on the planes so the question was did the union get an agreement which limited start times to a maximum of 60 minutes with a default of 90 minutes or did you have no agreement which meant everyone moved 3 hours later.

On new terms and conditions the union never agreed these they were imposed. Why Royal Mail wanted Sundays to be a normal working day and therefore all delivery staff would have to work a number of Sundays per week which was their original proposal. As soon as the union stopped this from happening Royal Mail imposed the new entrants contracts.

They did not want them to be in the union and they wanted to move the growth in parcels to the new entrants. The union’s position is that we will improve the new entrants contracts.

On sick leave , Royal Mail made it clear that sick leave was costing over 250 million per year and that they wanted to introduce SSP for a week after the second absence. They were considering giving 3 months notice and changing everyone’s contacts to introduce it.

Only a third of postmen and women have more than one absence. So we agreed to the after the SSP would only be 2 days after the second absence and if sick absence went below 5.5 percent for a six month period then it would come off the table for the next 6 months. 7 out of 12 ROD areas are now under 5.5%.

We also secured 7% pay for 23/24 and 2% for 24/25 and £500 lump sum. We also agreed for the £1038 escrow payment to be paid.

In addition to this under the Lord Faulkner review we got justice for 200 reps and members.

The members voted overwhelmingly in favour of the agreement.

It was by no means perfect but it was better than the alternative.

We are now in discussions to improve a range of issues including over the USO.
Are you still a walk holder Martin? I'm sure the majority of dues paying members would like to know too, as I've seen way too many CWU reps either sideways sneak into management positions, jump away from delivery or leave the business completely with a decent payout through IHR over the last 2 years.