Trimble Conduct

[cpsteve]

If the RM are seeing data that a driver is driving in a dangerous manor and they do nothing it opens them up to a corporate manslaughter charge so they should take action against poor driving. The PDA data mobile phones etc will also show how fast you were going, in the event of a fatal crash the Police will no doubt use it to convict.

[Barnacle]

If the RM are seeing data that a driver is driving in a dangerous manor and they do nothing it opens them up to a corporate manslaughter charge so they should take action against poor driving. The PDA data mobile phones etc will also show how fast you were going, in the event of a fatal crash the Police will no doubt use it to convict.

We don’t know if it has ever been used in any official investigation which could be because it isn’t really that accurate or it doesn’t include enough data points to be used as an accurate representation of events at a specific date and time.

So that could be why thus far it has been used to warn or tell people off but not much more.

[TopperGas]

Trimble data seems to vary from van to van, you can drive exactly the same in two different vans and get totally different results. I've no idea how the speeding results are calibrated as I'd be surprised if our clapped out Doblo's had a decent GPS system fitted inside their Trimble's

[TopperGas]

If the RM are seeing data that a driver is driving in a dangerous manor and they do nothing it opens them up to a corporate manslaughter charge so they should take action against poor driving. The PDA data mobile phones etc will also show how fast you were going, in the event of a fatal crash the Police will no doubt use it to convict.

We don’t know if it has ever been used in any official investigation which could be because it isn’t really that accurate or it doesn’t include enough data points to be used as an accurate representation of events at a specific date and time.

So that could be why thus far it has been used to warn or tell people off but not much more.

It could be used as part of the CPS evidence i.e. independent witnesses suggest the van was speeding and the Trimble records supported this view by suggesting it was traveling at xx mph over the speed limit.

[Barnacle]

If the RM are seeing data that a driver is driving in a dangerous manor and they do nothing it opens them up to a corporate manslaughter charge so they should take action against poor driving. The PDA data mobile phones etc will also show how fast you were going, in the event of a fatal crash the Police will no doubt use it to convict.

We don’t know if it has ever been used in any official investigation which could be because it isn’t really that accurate or it doesn’t include enough data points to be used as an accurate representation of events at a specific date and time.

So that could be why thus far it has been used to warn or tell people off but not much more.

It could be used as part of the CPS evidence i.e. independent witnesses suggest the van was speeding and the Trimble records supported this view by suggesting it was traveling at xx mph over the speed limit.

That is a possibility. Especially as our old vans don’t have an onboard computer recording anything.

The new vans are going to be armed with cameras and all sorts.

[General Mannerheim]

Hi all

Can i ask if anyone has been conducted for eg speeding to many times as i heard it cannot be used for disciplinary action.

i have noticed the agreement published in august 2021 does state this but it also says it will be reviewed every 6 months?

Has this changed since then.

Thanks

In my old office just recently a guy got sacked and they used Trimble to get rid of him, the fact he was a 20 odd year service man and one that would stand up to management, had nothing to do with it.

[IAMNOTANUMBER]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

[Barnacle]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

This sounds familiar and likely true. There are too many variables that the PDA simply can’t keep track of. An eavesdropper always hears something but is that something anything to bother about once placed within context? Usually not.

[yellowbelly]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

This sounds familiar and likely true. There are too many variables that the PDA simply can’t keep track of. An eavesdropper always hears something but is that something anything to bother about once placed within context? Usually not.

Not sure if there was an updated agreement (can't be bothered to look) or RM implemented an unagreed disciplinary process involving the use of Trimble data, but in the original agreement from 2015: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=83616

Both parties agree that all individuals have a right to privacy at work and it is accepted that there is an obligation on both parties to sustain confidence and trust in relation to all employees, and that they should act in a way to engender that type of relationship. As such driver performance data will remain confidential to the individual and will not be displayed on notice boards or in league tables, nor will it form part of performance management. It is also agreed that this technology is not being deployed for use as a disciplinary tool or a source of information to be used in conduct cases.

[Barnacle]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

This sounds familiar and likely true. There are too many variables that the PDA simply can’t keep track of. An eavesdropper always hears something but is that something anything to bother about once placed within context? Usually not.

Not sure if there was an updated agreement (can't be bothered to look) or RM implemented an unagreed disciplinary process involving the use of Trimble data, but in the original agreement from 2015: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=83616

Both parties agree that all individuals have a right to privacy at work and it is accepted that there is an obligation on both parties to sustain confidence and trust in relation to all employees, and that they should act in a way to engender that type of relationship. As such driver performance data will remain confidential to the individual and will not be displayed on notice boards or in league tables, nor will it form part of performance management. It is also agreed that this technology is not being deployed for use as a disciplinary tool or a source of information to be used in conduct cases.

Well now that’s very interesting because our overlords have begun to display customer comments on a board in a league table - complaints table showing how we fare compared to other offices. They also inadvertently include the names of some posties alongside the comments.

How does that tally with the right to privacy?

[yellowbelly]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

This sounds familiar and likely true. There are too many variables that the PDA simply can’t keep track of. An eavesdropper always hears something but is that something anything to bother about once placed within context? Usually not.

Not sure if there was an updated agreement (can't be bothered to look) or RM implemented an unagreed disciplinary process involving the use of Trimble data, but in the original agreement from 2015: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=83616

Both parties agree that all individuals have a right to privacy at work and it is accepted that there is an obligation on both parties to sustain confidence and trust in relation to all employees, and that they should act in a way to engender that type of relationship. As such driver performance data will remain confidential to the individual and will not be displayed on notice boards or in league tables, nor will it form part of performance management. It is also agreed that this technology is not being deployed for use as a disciplinary tool or a source of information to be used in conduct cases.

Well now that’s very interesting because our overlords have begun to display customer comments on a board in a league table - complaints table showing how we fare compared to other offices. They also inadvertently include the names of some posties alongside the comments.

How does that tally with the right to privacy?

'Inadvertently' including names on a communally visible poster, noticeboard, whiteboard is a big no no as far as I'm aware.

The union rep should be all over it! If I was an individual named I'd be raising a grievance.

[Barnacle]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

This sounds familiar and likely true. There are too many variables that the PDA simply can’t keep track of. An eavesdropper always hears something but is that something anything to bother about once placed within context? Usually not.

Not sure if there was an updated agreement (can't be bothered to look) or RM implemented an unagreed disciplinary process involving the use of Trimble data, but in the original agreement from 2015: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=83616

Both parties agree that all individuals have a right to privacy at work and it is accepted that there is an obligation on both parties to sustain confidence and trust in relation to all employees, and that they should act in a way to engender that type of relationship. As such driver performance data will remain confidential to the individual and will not be displayed on notice boards or in league tables, nor will it form part of performance management. It is also agreed that this technology is not being deployed for use as a disciplinary tool or a source of information to be used in conduct cases.

Well now that’s very interesting because our overlords have begun to display customer comments on a board in a league table - complaints table showing how we fare compared to other offices. They also inadvertently include the names of some posties alongside the comments.

How does that tally with the right to privacy?

'Inadvertently' including names on a communally visible poster, noticeboard, whiteboard is a big no no as far as I'm aware.

The union rep should be all over it! If I was an individual named I'd be raising a grievance.

I was all over it like a rash, it went to the area rep who said they could display such a table. The names were removed but they update this display weekly and have made the same ‘error’ every time.

[TopperGas]

Not sure, but I stand to be corrected, for use of the Trimble in any kind of evidence against driver, surely the equipment would have to be collaborated every day before the start of duty. I believe in the past that motorists have got off speeding offences because the equipment (ie speed guns) haven't been collaborated on the day

If a driver is constantly getting the worse scores in the DO collaboration or not they are going to face questions, particularly if other drivers are not going similar scores when they use the same van,