Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

[A2B]

The PDAs don't have the ability to live track, thank god.

Are you sure about that?

That's what they said at the select committee, they could've been lying...

Can't remember the exact wording but it could well be along the lines of we don't use live tracking for disciplinary reasons not that they can't live track.

Let's face it any smartphone from recent years has been able to share live tracking

[Woody Guthrie]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

It's says in the agreement under the data use and performance management section that no one individual's data should be displayed on the board.
It also says that the data can be used to understand workplace and individual performance in and fair and consistant way.
So it's up for interpretation.
What constitutes fair and consistant.
It also states no one can be live tracked.

[Pidleypoo]

The reason some mangers post stuff like that on boards is simply to intimidate staff.

It’s not constructive and won’t find any solutions or than worrying people.

Shouldn’t be happening.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Just have to show him the agreement and tell him to take it down or you will take it further.

[postmanzach]

Rumours of four x plus 9 hour days - guess say 730-430 or later, so why would anyone want to do more ot ? Also if it's a basic pay long day, there are no benefits to us posties whatsoever. I doubt anyone will get offered VR if their d/o is short staffed either

The rumours of 9+ hour days are true. If an office votes to move to a 4 day week, it means 9+ hour days.

We have those pretty much on Wednesday and Thursdays, and surprisingly new starters even posties that have transferred down don’t last long.
It’s worth it for the 5 days of every 4 weeks.

[Iva bigredbag]

I just don't get what part the union are actually on about when their aim is to reduce fatigue? The only thing I can think of is that most people will get to have 1 in 3 weeks doing packets and 1C but having double/treble mail everyday is surely increasing fatigue?

Things I don't understand:-

If an office chooses a 4 day week then does that mean duties would be automatically changed with some collapsing to make them longer as we would need to work a lot longer then if that was the case then would there be more potential VR's on that office?
Also the 4 day week option the CWU mentioned didn't have any indication of how many Saturdays people would work, same with the 9 day fortnight's also doesn't mention how many Saturdays we would be getting!!!

I've heard two trial offices have opted for 2 in 5 Saturdays off? Not sure if this will be the best (of a bad bunch) of options most offices would go for. 2 Saturdays in 6 sounds pointless when there is the other option to go for 2 Saturdays in 5?

The only fatigue I get is when I listen to Dave Ward, the most irritating overpaid lying *(&^%$£$ you will ever hear.

[TopperGas]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

Management can get access to live data as I've seen my manager check when a postie was when he was late back to the office. They can't use it at the moment for disaplinary issues.

[Iva bigredbag]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

Management can get access to live data as I've seen my manager check when a postie was when he was late back to the office. They can't use it at the moment for disaplinary issues.

Yeah it's amazing home many times the battery falls out of the back of my PDA. Hope it doesn't effect how RM track me on delivery.

[norris9]

Does the 4 day week option avoid any 3 or 4 day's straight that we'd work?

Surely it has to be done with maximum of 2 consecutive days otherwise we'd definitely be fatigued.

I suppose the following wouldn't be so bad....

Mon, Tues......Thurs, Fri....

Mon, Weds......Fri, Sat....

[ted_e_bear]

Does the 4 day week option avoid any 3 or 4 day's straight that we'd work?

Surely it has to be done with maximum of 2 consecutive days otherwise we'd definitely be fatigued.

I suppose the following wouldn't be so bad....

Mon, Tues......Thurs, Fri....

Mon, Weds......Fri, Sat....

It's
Wk1 Mon-Thurs
Wk2 Weds-Sat
Wk3 Mon+Tues Fri+Sat

Don't forget Saturday is parcels+1c only and a 7 hour attendance as opposed to the 9.45 or whatever it is weekdays.

[SMS1969]

Does the 4 day week option avoid any 3 or 4 day's straight that we'd work?

Surely it has to be done with maximum of 2 consecutive days otherwise we'd definitely be fatigued.

I suppose the following wouldn't be so bad....

Mon, Tues......Thurs, Fri....

Mon, Weds......Fri, Sat....

It's
Wk1 Mon-Thurs


Wk2 Weds-Sat
Wk3 Mon+Tues Fri+Sat

Don't forget Saturday is parcels+1c only and a 7 hour attendance as opposed to the 9.45 or whatever it is weekdays.

I’d be up for that duty pattern, especially the lesser hours on Saturday.

[menditsa]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

Management can get access to live data as I've seen my manager check when a postie was when he was late back to the office. They can't use it at the moment for disaplinary issues.

Well a LM at my office did just that last year with me.
Pulled me up asking why at X time I was here and not at X until this time.
This data they had viewed from my PDA and tried to use it against me.
Threatened me with Wilful delay of mail etc etc.
I had a feeling they were watching me and had wrote everything down for that day.
When they said I was to slow I was able to reply with so my hourly average was 21.7 parcels per hour what is the figure you expect ?
See these bully's hiding behind their job titles fluster when you confront them and have no come back because they know if they said a figure for an hourly delivery rate they would be walking down poo poo street.

[funkflex55]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

Management can get access to live data as I've seen my manager check when a postie was when he was late back to the office. They can't use it at the moment for disaplinary issues.

Management can and will use PDA data for disciplinary investigations if consent is given to access such data. I'm not sure whether such consent should be denied or granted and what they would do if the permission wasn't given.

[SpacePhoenix]

The PDAs are capable of live tracking much the same as your phone is but management cannot as yet get access to the data live.

Not that it really makes much difference whether they see it live or the next day because it is not supposed to be used as a performance management tool but can be used when disagreement over resourcing occurs.

I can't think of a legitimate reason to post data on a board though and that's probably something that should be fed back to your branch.

Management can get access to live data as I've seen my manager check when a postie was when he was late back to the office. They can't use it at the moment for disaplinary issues.

Management can and will use PDA data for disciplinary investigations if consent is given to access such data. I'm not sure whether such consent should be denied or granted and what they would do if the permission wasn't given.

If they suspect something is happening at a certain place or at a certain time then they could use the PDA data to see where or when and then go to that location before hand and witness whatever it is they suspect is happening